"Take my word for it, or his, or this book"

[Zzyzx]

Most of us probably know better than to believe everything said or written. If someone tells us they can fly by flapping their arms, our response is likely disbelief and a request that they ‘show me’. If they refuse to demonstrate or fail in flapping, we regard their claim as false. Agreed?

If a person claims to have come back to life after being dead for days none of us are likely to believe the claim unless it could be verified. Right?

If someone writes that fifty years ago a long-dead person came back to life and flew away into the sky, what would be your / our likely reaction? Would we be convinced if they say ‘many saw him’?

What would it take to convince us that the tale was true?

[JehovahsWitness]

.... the alleged copies of copies of the words uttered by the Lord in the days of old that He allowed to be written, but all the original handwritings are lost.

So? SO WHAT what !? All the original handwritings of Isaiah were lost when JESUS READ from the book of ISAIAH. The originals were not necessary for our Lord to read the copies. What's good enough for the Lord JESUS is good enough for me. Note when Jesus asked for the scroll of Isaiah, there is not recordd of him saying "alleged copies" he simply asked for the scroll. This expression "alleged" is your human OPINION and has no truth in it. Please stop elevating your opinion to idolatry. If Jesus can say that the spoken words of God can be read the Hebrew "bible" of his day, even though the originals writings were long lost, then so can I.

Further when you quote in your green "thus saith the Lord..." I am looking at an alleged copy. I have no way of verifying your copy is accurate so I will reject all your alleged quotations until I have a supernatural experience or see cool writing in the sky. I'm sure you agree that that is the wise course of regarding your alleged internet copies.

You even admit that some of what you say is from your imperfect memory and you didn't even write certain things down.

Not all that God uttered to us was written.

[OneJack]

[Replying to JehovahsWitness in post #541]

So? SO WHAT what !? All the original handwritings of Isaiah were lost when JESUS READ from the book of ISAIAH.

Cool, we're now in CY 2026! Have you seen any original handwriting today of the scriptures which the Lord God allowed to be written?

The originals were not necessary for our Lord to read the copies. What's good enough for the Lord JESUS is good enough for me.

If and only if you are under the Lord's tutelage and shepherding today.

Note when Jesus asked for the scroll of Isaiah, there is not recordd of him saying "alleged copies" he simply asked for the scroll.

You were not there with Jesus, were you? What bearing does it have on your path to your salvation and eternal life with the Lord? You seem to be leaning once again on the scriptures rather than the Lord Jesus in this regard.

This expression "alleged" is your human OPINION and has no truth in it. Please stop elevating your opinion to idolatry. If Jesus can say that the spoken words of God can be read the Hebrew "bible" of his day, even though the originals writings were long lost, then so can I.

You haven't heard anything yet from the Lord Jesus for you to say, 'if Jesus can say that the spoken words of God can be read the Hebrew bible......,' there is no sense in what you are pointing out in this issue. The words of God emanate only from the mouth of the Lord Jesus, and He doesn't need anything to utter them to anyone whom He wishes at any time.

Further when you quote in your green "thus saith the Lord..." I am looking at an alleged copy. I have no way of verifying your copy is accurate so I will reject all your alleged quotations until I have a supernatural experience or see cool writing in the sky. I'm sure you agree that that is the wise course of regarding your alleged internet copies.

You err grossly in this regard, trying to verify the testimonies to the Lord by your own means, and ignoring to come to Him for the truth.

[JehovahsWitness]

[Replying to JehovahsWitness in post #541]

So? SO WHAT what !? All the original handwritings of Isaiah were lost when JESUS READ from the book of ISAIAH.

Cool, we're now in CY 2026!

So, so what? When Jesus read from Isaiah Isaiah had been dead for HUNDREDS of years. What is your point? Nobody Jesus was reading the bible to had seen any original handwritings as he read, so why are you asking me if I have seen the original handwritings. Is there any record of Jesus asking anyone that question? Are you better than the Lord ?

[JehovahsWitness]

Note when Jesus asked for the scroll of Isaiah, there is not record of him saying "alleged copies" he simply asked for the scroll.

You were not there with Jesus, were you?

Do I have to be there to read what was written? I have the testimony of Jesus eyewitness Apostles. How is your testimony superior to theirs?

Is it not double standard to encourage people to break free from the utterances God shown to us by Moses, the Prophets and the Apostles that witnessed Jesus (the bible canon) ...., while you continue to point people to the written words of what God said as witnessed by you and your family

[JehovahsWitness]

The originals were not necessary for our Lord to read the copies. What's good enough for the Lord JESUS is good enough for me.

If and only if you are under the Lord's tutelage and shepherding today.

Well fortunately I am so that's that point settled. Reading and quoting copies is good if one is under Lord's tutelage and shepherding today (which I am)

[JehovahsWitness]

What bearing does it have on your path to your salvation and eternal life with the Lord?

That's between me and the Lord and none of your business. I'm not here to focus on me but you seem to focus on everyone and everything around you rather then put your whole focus on the Lord. I'm not saying you don't focus on the Lord at all but you DIVIDE you focus between him and your quotations and your own supernatural experiences.

You seem to be leaning once again on the scriptures rather than the Lord Jesus in this regard.

You seem to be leaning once again on YOUR OPINION rather than the Lord Jesus in this regard. Stop your idolatry to your opinion (Opinolatry) and instead focus on the Lord Jesus.

[JehovahsWitness]

You haven't heard anything yet from the Lord Jesus ...

FALSE I have heard from the Lord Jesus. Are you going to call me a liar?

If you want to hear God's utterances, you'll hear them only from the real and forever living Christ

I already have.

...Your phrase 'God's utterances are authoritative' is a misnomer if you refer it to the alleged copies of copies of the words uttered by the Lord in the days of old that He allowed to be written, but all the original handwritings are lost.

God's utterances I mean the same as you did below...

I've shown you direct utterance from the Living God ...

How can you "show" an UTTERANCE? Did you show them God's mouth moving? Did you not "show" them by providing a copy (not the original hand written text) for them to READ ?

Is it not double standard to encourage people to break free from the utterances God shown to us by Moses, the Prophets and the Apostles that witnessed Jesus (the bible canon) ...., while you continue to show people to the alleged utterances of God on the internet

[JehovahsWitness]

Further when you quote in your green "thus saith the Lord..." I am looking at an alleged copy. I have no way of verifying your copy is accurate so I will reject all your alleged quotations until I have a supernatural experience or see cool writing in the sky. I'm sure you agree that that is the wise course of regarding your alleged internet copies.

You err grossly in this regard, trying to verify the testimonies to the Lord by your own means, and ignoring to come to Him for the truth.

FALSE I have turned to the Lord Jesus because I don't want to ignore him (although he is not far off from any of us) and will not accept your alleged internet copies until the Lord himself verfies them either by appearing incarnate to me, speaking audibly from the spirit world or whatever other method he sees fit. The point it, it will not be me verifying your alleged internet copies but the Lord and I will not ignore him when he does.

Until then, I'm throwing your alleged copies of alleged testimonies in the garbage.

[OneJack]

Further when you quote in your green "thus saith the Lord..." I am looking at an alleged copy. I have no way of verifying your copy is accurate so I will reject all your alleged quotations until I have a supernatural experience or see cool writing in the sky. I'm sure you agree that that is the wise course of regarding your alleged internet copies.

You err grossly in this regard, trying to verify the testimonies to the Lord by your own means, and ignoring to come to Him for the truth.

FALSE I have turned to the Lord Jesus because I don't want to ignore him (although he is not far off from any of us) and will not accept your alleged internet copies until the Lord himself verfies them either by appearing incarnate to me, speaking audibly from the spirit world or whatever other method he sees fit. The point it, it will not be me verifying your alleged internet copies but the Lord and I will not ignore him when he does.

Until then, I'm throwing your alleged copies of alleged testimonies in the garbage.

You have nothing to accept from them, don’t you understand that? Seek the Lord in His terms, not yours, for the sake of your own soul.

[JehovahsWitness]

You have nothing to accept from them, don’t you understand that?...

Excellent, I accept nothing from them which apparently was the original intent. In the garbage with your "bible" (quotations)

Sadly YOU seem to idolize them you can't seem to break free from your quoted source, you constantly focus (not on the Lord Jesus) but on your experience. You even imply that because you had a supernatural experience and met god incarnate , your copies of God's utterances are superior to those of the Prophet Moses' or Isaiah (you seem to have made an idol of your copies)

Break free from your leaning to idolize your copies of the notes you took during a paranormal experience and instead focus on the Lord.