Has modern science proven that God created the universe?

[McCulloch]

Modern science has proven the belief that God created the heavens and the earth to be an accurate and true doctrine, even when the Scientist try to deny that.

Has modern science proven that God created the heavens and the earth?

[JP Cusick]

Science then showed that there was a beginning to the universe thereby a creation day or creation event, and thereby science proved that the creation belief was an accurate and true belief.

Science proved the creation but not necessarily proved that there is a Creator.

As a followup:

A big part of the proof of God in the scientific Big-Bang is that it proved the universe to be around 14 billion years old (give or take a billion or two) and that proved a finite amount of time, and time is a measurement of God.

The 14 billion years is a short time compared to eternity, and even science is baffled by the eternity before the Big-Bang.

Many see the universe as being too GIGANTIC for any God to create the universe, but science tells us that the universe started so very small down to a near infinitely tiny point, so God started out very small and took 14 billion years to expand.

That is not magic - that is hard work.

Another one of the wild miracles found by science (miracle of God) is that we can see back in time, as we can see back nearly to the very beginning of 14 billions years ago, as like we have super vision, but it is not supernatural.

Truth is stranger than fiction.

[Willum]

[Replying to post 11 by JP Cusick]

Good point, the Bible begins only a short time, an eyeblink, cosmically speaking, ago.
The Bible, at least, presents no evidence, beyond allegory, that its God existed much before the creation of the Earth.

And it says the stars were created afterwards. apparently with light these starts weren't able to produce yet, already in transit.

Besides, it has already be shown to you the universe happens whether there is a God or not, with the same forces driving it as the Sun or nuclear decay.

All science proved was that the universe as we know it, expanded.

Does God cause supernova?
Lightning strikes?
Thermals?

Please!

[JP Cusick]

[Replying to post 11 by JP Cusick]

Good point, the Bible begins only a short time, an eyeblink, cosmically speaking, ago.
The Bible, at least, presents no evidence, beyond allegory, that its God existed much before the creation of the Earth.

And it says the stars were created afterwards. apparently with light these starts weren't able to produce yet, already in transit.

Besides, it has already be shown to you the universe happens whether there is a God or not, with the same forces driving it as the Sun or nuclear decay.

All science proved was that the universe as we know it, expanded.

If science could get their outlook screwed on straight that it would be wonderful to get a scientific view of the Creator, and have science tell us what is this Creator?

It would be great if science would start giving real answers to religion about God.

Instead we get a lame and blind form of science which can not see the reality past their constant denials of the truth.

Does God cause supernova?
Lightning strikes?
Thermals?

Please!

Those are just different parts of the same creation.

Just different aspects of the same created universe.

[McCulloch]

It would be great if science would start giving real answers to religion about God.

It has been done.

God: The Failed Hypothesis: How Science Shows That God Does Not Exist: Victor J. Stenger, Christopher Hitchens: 9781591026525: Books - Amazon.ca

Throughout history, arguments for and against the existence of God have been largely confined to philosophy and theology, while science has sat on the sidelines. Despite the fact that science has revolutionized every aspect of human life and greatly clarified our understanding of the world, somehow the notion has arisen that it has nothing to say about the possibility of a supreme being, which much of humanity worships as the source of all reality. This book contends that, if God exists, some evidence for this existence should be detectable by scientific means, especially considering the central role that God is alleged to play in the operation of the universe and the lives of humans.

Treating the traditional God concept, as conventionally presented in the Judeo-Christian and Islamic traditions, like any other scientific hypothesis, physicist Stenger examines all of the claims made for God's existence. He considers the latest Intelligent Design arguments as evidence of God's influence in biology. He looks at human behavior for evidence of immaterial souls and the possible effects of prayer. He discusses the findings of physics and astronomy in weighing the suggestions that the universe is the work of a creator and that humans are God's special creation. After evaluating all the scientific evidence, Stenger concludes that beyond a reasonable doubt the universe and life appear exactly as we might expect if there were no God.

This paperback edition of the New York Times bestselling hardcover edition contains a new foreword by Christopher Hitchens and a postscript by the author in which he responds to reviewers' criticisms of the original edition.

[Willum]

[Replying to post 13 by JP Cusick]

It would be great if science would start giving real answers to religion about God.

You have struck science in it's Achilles Heel, it can't examine non-existent things.

Instead we get a lame and blind form of science which can not see the reality past their constant denials of the truth.

Willum wrote:

Does God cause supernova?
Lightning strikes?
Thermals?

Please!

Those are just different parts of the same creation.

Really? Thermals and lightning are created by God?

Actually, McCulloch's response puts mine to shame, even so, I said it.

[JP Cusick]

It would be great if science would start giving real answers to religion about God.

It has been done.

Treating the traditional God concept, as conventionally presented in the Judeo-Christian and Islamic traditions, like any other scientific hypothesis, physicist Stenger examines all of the claims made for God's existence.

I can not comprehend how you can not see the fallacy of this?

Many people just here on this forum including myself have denounced the traditional or orthodox God concept as yes we know they are wrong.

As such for science to claim that they addressed the reality of a Creator based on mainstream religion then science did nothing of value.

Science is going up against the weakest and most empty proponents of religion and then claim victory - so science beat up on the shallow empty fools of this world - and even those same fools reject the scientific claims because science never really even beat the fools.

It reminds me of the mentality of the big game hunters who take a picture of them murdering a defenseless and harmless animal with their high powered rifle and pretend that makes them into big macho dudes - and yet there is no way to tell them that their victory is lower than nothing, see picture HERE.

Now maybe we could create a picture of science stomping a crucifix into the ground - as the scientific victory.