The Big Bang, revisited

[Willum]

Judeo-Christians often cite the Big Bang in their favor for creation.
Inventing the idea that a day has changed duration, which is supported neither by religion, nor science.

But the Big Bang, even assuming it is true, flatly contradicts the Biblical creation story.
Or, does it?

That is the debate topic:
The Big Bang, assuming it is true, contradicts the Biblical creation story, it demonstrates a timelie and other characteristics that Judeo-Christians should avoid, if they wish to make their point.

[Willum]

[Replying to post 19 by EarthScienceguy]

So many people believe God is the universe.
If you can agree with this, then God creating the universe is also easy enough.
Now, just eliminate God.

Suddenly you understand why God is unnecessary.

[EarthScienceguy]

[Replying to Willum]

In my opening argument in this forum, I outlined why the "Big Bang" theory in its current state is not a tenable theory.

And in your debate parameters you expressed we were discussing the Judeo Christian God. The Judeo Christian God is not a pantheistic god. A pantheistic god could not have created the universe because it would be part of the universe. Whatever created the universe has to be able to exist outside of our universe.

The Judeo Christian God does describe himself in pantheistic terms. For example in Isaiah 46.

[for I am God, and there is no other;
I am God, and there is none like me,
10 declaring the end from the beginning
and from ancient times things not yet done,
saying, ‘My counsel shall stand,
and I will accomplish all my purpose,’]


The Judeo Christian God is always expressed using masculine personal pronouns. This is not the way a pantheistic god would be expressed.

In conclusion
1. creation could not have come from a pantheistic god because it would be bound to the universe.
2. The Judeo Christian God is not describe as a pantheistic god.