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postroad
Subject: Re: Is the Biblical GOD really as some atheists argue?
[Replying to post 20 by ttruscott]

If not accepting Jesus is a sin and most are hardened against it, how isn't God then responsible for that sin?

postroad
Subject: Re: Is the Biblical GOD really as some atheists argue?
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When did Adam make an agreement with God?

Sojournerofthearth
Subject: Re: Is the Biblical GOD really as some atheists argue?
[Replying to post 22 by postroad]

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I'm not quite certain what that means either, however, the whole bible is about a covenant God made with Adam, who chose to make his own way... after making an agreement that he would go God's way.


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[[url=http://debatingchristianity.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=953173#953173&sid=b43f
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When did Adam make an agreement with God?


mmmm.... that probably wasn't worded exactly right. Here's the thing, Christ came as what? The 2nd Adam. Why was he called that?

The Earth wasn't originally created for man. In fact there was an indeterminate amount of time between Genesis 1:1 and 1:2

In Job it says the Angels shouted for Joy when it was created,

"Where were you when I laid the foundations of the earth? Tell Me, if you have understanding. Who determined its measurements? Surely you know! Or who stretched the line upon it? To what were its foundations fastened? Or who laid its cornerstone, When the morning stars sang together, And all the sons of God (angels) shouted for joy? (Job 38:4-7 NKJV) Gen 1:1 says in the beginning, God Created the heavens and the Earth, but Genesis 1:2 said it was (interpretaion actually should read became) void and empty. Because in Psa 104:30 it says Thou sendest forth thy spirit, they are created: and thou renewest the face of the earth. And in Isaiah 45:18 KJV, it says For thus saith the LORD that created the heavens; God himself that formed the earth and made it; he hath established it, he created it not in vain, he formed it to be inhabited: I am the LORD; and there is none else.

So the angels shouted for joy because they were to inhabit the Earth. But it says in Jude 1:5-6 I will therefore put you in remembrance, though ye once knew this, how that the Lord, having saved the people out of the land of Egypt, afterward destroyed them that believed not. And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.

And Eze 28 and Isa 14 tell you that Satan and the Angels were here on the Earth but turned on God. But God have given him a position of the ruler of the Earth. 2 Cor 4.4 calls him the god of this world and Eph 6:12 tells us we wrestle against spiritual wickedness in high places... in Mat 4:9 Satan tells Christ He will give him the whole world IF Christ will worship him... how could he say that unless it was his own to give?

So why was Christ the 2nd Adam? Because he did what Adam did not do... He overcame Satan to take rulership away from Lucifer. Adam was created to rule, to have dominion over the Earth in the place of Lucifer. The first Adam was supposed to take of the tree of life and rule the Earth.

God offered it also to the Children of Israel;

Behold, I have taught you statutes and judgments, even as the LORD my God commanded me, that ye should do so in the land whither ye go to possess it. Keep therefore and do them; for this is your wisdom and your understanding in the sight of the nations, which shall hear all these statutes, and say, Surely this great nation is a wise and understanding people. For what nation is there so great, who hath God so nigh unto them, as the LORD our God is in all things that we call upon him for? And what nation is there so great, that hath statutes and judgments so righteous as all this law, which I set before you this day? (Deuteronomy 4:5-8 KJV)

God would have told Adam at least part of that when He explained why they should not take of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil in the Garden. But just like Lucifer, Adam wanted to make his own way and decide for himself what is good and what is evil...

So Adam was also cast out from God's presence.

As I told you before, God has a plan that includes all of mankind... the living and the dead. Its the same plan from the day the Angels shouted for Joy at the creation of the Universe.

postroad
Subject: Re: Is the Biblical GOD really as some atheists argue?
[Replying to post 23 by Sojournerofthearth]

The Angels first estate wasn't the earth. Their punishment was for leaving heaven having children with human women.

Genesis 6
[ Wickedness in the World ] When human beings began to increase in number on the earth and daughters were born to them, the sons of God saw that the daughters of humans were beautiful, and they married any of them they chose. Then the Lord said, “My Spirit will not contend with humans forever, for they are mortal; their days will be a hundred and twenty years.” ...

Paul includes theis weakness of angels as part of the reason women should cover their head.

Angels neither die or reproduce. The earth is not their natural state.

You take a lot of liberties with the texts. Are you claiming divine revelation?

postroad
Subject: Re: Is the Biblical GOD really as some atheists argue?
[Replying to post 23 by Sojournerofthearth]

Jesus must have given both the authority of heaven and earth to
Satan after receiving it.

Revelation 13:6-8 New International Version (NIV)

6 It opened its mouth to blaspheme God, and to slander his name and his dwelling place and those who live in heaven. 7 It was given power to wage war against God’s holy people and to conquer them. And it was given authority over every tribe, people, language and nation. 8 All inhabitants of the earth will worship the beast—all whose names have not been written in the Lamb’s book of life, the Lamb who was slain from the creation of the world.[a]

Sojournerofthearth
Subject: Re: Is the Biblical GOD really as some atheists argue?
[Replying to post 24 by postroad]

having children with women?

:shock:

Anyway, much as i would love to get into this, something has come up and I'll have to get back with you on this...

:smileright: Devine Revelation? :smileleft:
:tongue:

Do You think I'm the only one who believes that?

Soj[/img]

postroad
Subject: Re: Is the Biblical GOD really as some atheists argue?
[Replying to post 26 by Sojournerofthearth]

That's what the texts indicate.

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