What did Jesus teach?

[Elijah John]

For debate, what did Jesus teach?

Pure monotheism (Shema) and simple repentance...or
Trinitarianism and vicarious blood atonement?

[Elijah John]

[Replying to post 9 by YahDough]
Well, I guess you can cross out Numbers 23:19 from your bible where it stated that Yahweh never changes his mind. Sad that Yahweh lied in this respect.

Is it Yahweh who "lied" and "changed his mind" or those who added their own unfounded doctrines, like the theologian Paul and the Evangelist John?

[catnip]

For debate, what did Jesus teach?

Pure monotheism (Shema) and simple repentance...or
Trinitarianism and vicarious blood atonement?

It is interesting that you phrased it that way because blood atonement is anathema! This is one of the problems seen by other denominations with Mormonism. Although I do not think they profess it too much anymore.

I think the focus of early catholic Christianity is on simple repentance and forgiveness. It is not as much a religion of morality as it is a religion of forgiveness. That we see Christ crucified is to see that we are forgiven--but his entire life is not boiled down to his death on the cross.

He taught the Way! And this is what we need to practice and live by. Without it we never realize the promise of faith and the hope of the kingdom. This is why the Gospels originally were seen to the Good News--not in the Passion Narrative alone (where he exemplified his own teaching) but in his words. He was, after all, introduced as the "Word of God." He was speaking the words of God.

Now, some expand the whole of scripture to be the Word of God and claim the scriptures to be the Word of God and never mean it any other way than as a reference to what is written--but it is Christ who was seen to be the Word of God.

[YahDough]

[Replying to post 9 by YahDough]

As we're aware it all depends on which bible of the MANY contradicting bibles that exist that one reads from, to determine what the brutal serial killer Hebrew Christian Gods name was.

The first name associated with GOD (Gen 1:1) is Eloihim in the original Hebrew . But that name denotes a plural. So it seems natural that Jesus the Son ia the "him", and God the Father is Eloi. "Eloihim"

I like to use his first name granted to him by the early Jews, which was Yahweh. You call him Eli, the JW's call him Jehovah, and the list goes on.

All those names except Eli are associated with the Father and the Son. The Father and the Son have been in unity from the beginning and were only separated when the Son came down from heaven to become the Messiah.

Yes, I guess Yahweh can do whatever he wants, and that is knowing beforehand that he was going to change and come up with a new spin on his doctrine that caught the Jews off guard, thus they werent prepared for this change and had to leave Jesus because of it. Well, I guess you can cross out Numbers 23:19 from your bible where it stated that Yahweh never changes his mind. Sad that Yahweh lied in this respect.

It is actually Christ Jesus who never changes. Heb:13:8: That would make Yahwah's new english name Jesus. So you don't have to take out Numbers 23:19.

The irony is that a Christian is defined as a follower of Jesus, therefore, since Yahweh is a Hebrew God,

Yahweh is the unity of the Father and Son.. Yah is God the Father. Jesus is the "weh"

and he was only sent for the Jews,

That's not exactly true. Jesus was sent to the Jews first. but not exclusively.

and Jesus is King of the Jews, then to be true to form, all Christians are Jews. You're just one of the Jews that didn't reject Jesus when Yahweh changed his mind.

Those who belong to Christ Jesus are God's Israel, not Jews. In Christ Jesus there is neither Jew nor Greek (Gentile) Gal:3:28:

Essentially then, youre a follower of a lying god.

While the Father could allow a spirit of deception to exist, He has committed all things in heaven and earth unto His Son. He's the Son that doesn't lie.

Jn:14:6: Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

[Elijah John]

Yahweh is the unity of the Father and Son.. Yah is GOD. Jesus is the "weh"

NEVER heard that one before! Where do you get this? I am not a linguistic scholar, but I doubt very much your interpretation.

On the contrary, Jesus's Hebrew name, Yahshua, means "YHVH is salvation" So his name does contain the Divine name, (Yah is an abbreviation of YHVH) but the Divine name dose not contain the name "Jesus"...how is "weh" rendered "Jesus", in ANY language?

[21stCenturyIconoclast]

[Replying to post 13 by YahDough]


YahDough,

YOUR QUOTE; "Jn:14:6: Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me."

Barring the fact that an ever loving and forgiving Jesus posits this statement, this still would preclude that the many people around the world in different civilizations that never heard of Jesus and this proclamation, were destined for Hell!

Is this considered a loving and forgiving act from the Hebrew Christian God named Yahweh to send these people to the depths of the burning sulfur lakes just because they never heard of him?

[YahDough]

Yahweh is the unity of the Father and Son.. Yah is GOD. Jesus is the "weh"

NEVER heard that one before! Where do you get this? I am not a linguistic scholar, but I doubt very much your interpretation.

On the contrary, Jesus's Hebrew name, Yahshua, means "YHVH is salvation" So his name does contain the Divine name, (Yah is an abbreviation of YHVH) but the Divine name dose not contain the name "Jesus"...how is "weh" rendered "Jesus", in ANY language?

Jesus said He was the "way". Jn:14:6: It's just a different spelling of the same pronunciation. Isn't English fun?

[YahDough]

[Replying to post 13 by YahDough]

YahDough,

YOUR QUOTE; "Jn:14:6: Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me."

Barring the fact that an ever loving and forgiving Jesus posits this statement, this still would preclude that the many people around the world in different civilizations that never heard of Jesus and this proclamation, were destined for Hell!

While less and less people have NOT heard of Jesus it is still good to know that Jesus is at the gate to the Father. He could advocate for anyone, even if they never heard of Him.
Matthew 25 seems to addresses this possibility.

Is this considered a loving and forgiving act from the Hebrew Christian God named Yahweh to send these people to the depths of the burning sulfur lakes just because they never heard of him?

No. While judgement for sin and disbelief is likely, that sounds like dogma and false doctrine.

[Elijah John]

Yahweh is the unity of the Father and Son.. Yah is GOD. Jesus is the "weh"

NEVER heard that one before! Where do you get this? I am not a linguistic scholar, but I doubt very much your interpretation.

On the contrary, Jesus's Hebrew name, Yahshua, means "YHVH is salvation" So his name does contain the Divine name, (Yah is an abbreviation of YHVH) but the Divine name dose not contain the name "Jesus"...how is "weh" rendered "Jesus", in ANY language?

Jesus said He was the "way". Jn:14:6: It's just a different spelling of the same pronunciation. Isn't English fun?

A stretch, don't ya think? Still, I give you credit for creativity.

[21stCenturyIconoclast]

[Replying to post 17 by YahDough]


VanDough,

YOUR QUOTE: "While less and less people have NOT heard of Jesus it is still good to know that Jesus is at the gate to the Father. He could advocate for anyone, even if they never heard of Him. Matthew 25 seems to addresses this possibility."

Regarding your notion that Jesus can advocate for anyone if they haven't heard of him, and if that anyone led a good life, then they would be escorted inside the Pearly Gates. Therefore, there is no need to have the baggage of Christianity!

YOUR QUOTE" "No. While judgement for sin and disbelief is likely, that sounds like dogma and false doctrine."

"Sounds like?" You're not sure? Then how do you determine false doctrine so you can be absolute in your position when you're a member of a division of Christianity?

[YahDough]

[Replying to post 17 by YahDough]


VanDough,

YOUR QUOTE: "While less and less people have NOT heard of Jesus it is still good to know that Jesus is at the gate to the Father. He could advocate for anyone, even if they never heard of Him. Matthew 25 seems to addresses this possibility."

Regarding your notion that Jesus can advocate for anyone if they haven't heard of him, and if that anyone led a good life, then they would be escorted inside the Pearly Gates. Therefore, there is no need to have the baggage of Christianity!

And a notion it was. Righteous people who live up to the standard of God who never heard of Jesus are rare at best. But Christ and Christianity give people the opportunity to repent and get forgiveness through the blood of Jesus. The "baggage" of Christianity is a cross to bear as Jesus did. The reward is salvation and peace with God.

YOUR QUOTE" "No. While judgement for sin and disbelief is likely, that sounds like dogma and false doctrine."

"Sounds like?" You're not sure? Then how do you determine false doctrine so you can be absolute in your position when you're a member of a division of Christianity?

You can determine false doctrine with the help of the Holy Ghost Spirit of Truth which is given as a free gift to believers in Christ. Acts:2:38:

And I'm not a member of a division of Christianity. Denominations may be divided, but Christ is not.

Eph:4:4: There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling;