The Lord Jesus is the Almighty (Matthew 28:18)

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The Lord Jesus is the Almighty (Matthew 28:18)

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Matthew 28:18
And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth. (KJV)

The Lord Jesus possesses all power in the absolute sense.
H. Sasse: His omnipotence, in which Christ shares as kyrios (1 C. 8:6; Col. 1:16; Mt. 28:18), extends over the whole world, over heaven and earth (TDNT 1:679, earth).
BDAG (3rd Edition): Of Jesus' total authority (exousia, page 353).

Some may claim that since the Lord Jesus was "given" this authority/power it proves that He is not God. However, this line of reasoning actually destroys monotheism.
Since the Lord Jesus has universal power (which means He is Omnipotent/Almighty), that would mean that God the Father created another Omnipotent being. There are not two Beings who are "Almighty." The Bible teaches there is only one Almighty God.
Those who believe the Lord Jesus is God can account for the fact that He was "given" all power in that before His resurrection He simply refused to always employ His omnipotence but those who deny the Lord Jesus is God are unable to satisfactorily explain that the Lord Jesus possesses (right now) all power - He is omnipotent/Almighty.
Leon Morris: He is making clear that the limitations that applied throughout the incarnation no longer apply to him. He has supreme authority throughout the universe (The Gospel According to Matthew, Pillar New Testament Commentary, page 745-746).

Why would anyone deny that possessing all-power (cf. Matthew 28:18) is not the same as being the Almighty?

All-power = Omnipotent = Almighty

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Re: The Lord Jesus is the Almighty (Matthew 28:18)

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onewithhim wrote:
Faber wrote:
JehovahsWitness wrote:
Faber wrote: Matthew 28:18
And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth. (KJV)

How can you give power to someone that already has all power? If Jesus was Almighty nobody could give him anything in terms of power or authority. Somebody had to have more power than Jesus in order to give him (Jesus) additional power.

Logic,

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This was already answered in the OP. Here it is again:
Those who believe the Lord Jesus is God can account for the fact that He was "given" all power in that before His resurrection He simply refused to always employ His omnipotence but those who deny the Lord Jesus is God are unable to satisfactorily explain that the Lord Jesus possesses (right now) all power - He is omnipotent/Almighty.
Wow, you are stretching it. It just isn't possible for God Almighty to give away ALL of His power and authority. To me it's like saying that if someone says that he gives you all his love, then he doesn't have any love left to give to someone else. Really....let's not stretch reason until its unrecognizable.

Jesus never indicated that he possesses ALL of the power in the universe and that he is equal or superior to God. This is borne out to us, once again, at I Corinthians 15:24-28 where Jesus HANDS BACK the power and authority to his God and Father. Explain that one.

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The Father didn't give away all of His power. He and the Son "share it" in equality.

H. Sasse: His omnipotence, in which Christ shares as kyrios (1 C. 8:6; Col. 1:16; Mt. 28:18), extends over the whole world, over heaven and earth (TDNT 1:679, earth).

I'll stick with how the words of the Bible are properly defined.

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Re: The Lord Jesus is the Almighty (Matthew 28:18)

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Faber wrote:
JehovahsWitness wrote:
Faber wrote: Matthew 28:18
And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth. (KJV)

How can you give power to someone that already has all power? If Jesus was Almighty nobody could give him anything in terms of power or authority. Somebody had to have more power than Jesus in order to give him (Jesus) additional power.

Logic,

JW
This was already answered in the OP. Here it is again:
Those who believe the Lord Jesus is God can account for the fact that He was "given" all power in that before His resurrection He simply refused to always employ His omnipotence but those who deny the Lord Jesus is God are unable to satisfactorily explain that the Lord Jesus possesses (right now) all power - He is omnipotent/Almighty.
I agree with JW here. If Jesus really were Almighty, I don't think he would have said "all power and authority has been given to me"..

Wouldn't he have said this instead: "all power and authority is mine?

Or if it was simply a matter of reclaiming his pre-incarnational power, wouldn't it be "all power and authority has been restored to me?"

But it's not. It seems that everything Jesus had, or has, comes from God, not from himself.
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-God created us in His image, not the other way around.
-The Bible is redeemed by it's good parts.
-Pure monotheism, simple repentance.
-YHVH is LORD
-The real Jesus is not God, the real YHVH is not a monster.
-Eternal life is a gift from the Living God.
-Keep the Commandments, keep your salvation.
-I have accepted YHVH as my Heavenly Father, LORD and Savior.

I am inspired by Jesus to worship none but YHVH, and to serve only Him.

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From the OP (again) notice the "right now" part:
Those who believe the Lord Jesus is God can account for the fact that He was "given" all power in that before His resurrection He simply refused to always employ His omnipotence but those who deny the Lord Jesus is God are unable to satisfactorily explain that the Lord Jesus possesses (right now) all power - He is omnipotent/Almighty.

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Faber wrote:
JehovahsWitness wrote:
Faber wrote: From "Draw Close to Jehovah" nothing is outside of Christ's absolute power ...


I do believe this is called misquoting. The Draw Close book never refers to "Christ's absolute power" you just made that up, didn't you. I know this is because...

#1 If logically if there are ANY exceptions that are beyond someone's power, then their power is not, by definition, absolute.

#2 The actual quote is a few posts above this one, in this very thread.

#3 I have been able to read for a number of years now.


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You are ignoring the fact that the only thing they say he doesn't have power over is the Father.

Draw Close to Jehovah: Could the only-begotten Son receive even more power and authority? Following Jesus death on earth and his resurrection, he said: All authority has been given me in heaven and on the earth. (Matthew 28:18) Yes, Jesus has been granted the ability and the right to exercise power universally. As King of kings and Lord of lords, he has been authorized to bring to nothing all government and all authority and power"visible and invisible"that stand in opposition to his Father. (Revelation 19:16; 1 Corinthians 15:24-26) God has left nothing that is not subject to Jesus"that is, with the exception of Jehovah himself."Hebrews 2:8; 1 Corinthians 15:27. ("Christ the Power of God", Chapter 9)
https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1102002031
Christ has never had "absolute power." A person RECEIVING power would not have the same amount of power as the giver.

And you are correct. The only thing that Christ has no power over is the Father. Therefore, Jesus is NOT "Almighty." Care to retract your statement that "the Lord Jesus is the Almighty"???


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Christ simply refused to always employ His omnipotence.

Christ doesn't have power over the Father because they share it in equality.

I am not going to retract my statement that the "Lord Jesus is the Almighty" because I don't play make believe with how the words of the Bible are properly defined.

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Faber wrote: Christ simply refused to always employ His omnipotence.

Christ doesn't have power over the Father because they share it in equality.

I am not going to retract my statement that the "Lord Jesus is the Almighty" because I don't play make believe with how the words of the Bible are properly defined.
So you say that we have TWO Almighties! That's interesting. I'm trying to imagine how we can have two individuals that are each Almighty!

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There is only one Almighty. See the OP.

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Faber wrote: There is only one Almighty. See the OP.
Then please explain further your post #15 where you say that they have equal power. Doesn't that mean that there are two Persons with the same power? Doesn't that make TWO Persons that are God Almighty?

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At least two.
The Holy Spirit makes the 3rd.

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Faber wrote: At least two.
The Holy Spirit makes the 3rd.
So you're admitting that Jesus, Jehovah and now the Holy Spirit are ALL THREE "God Almighty"? You seem to keep contradicting yourself. You say "There is only one God Almighty"(your post #17), and then you say "the Holy Spirit makes the 3rd"! You can't make up your mind if there is ONE God Almighty or THREE?

As of now, we have this scenario, according to your latest post:

Jehovah = God Almighty
Jesus = God Almighty
Holy Spirit = God Almighty

That sure adds up to THREE GODS. Not at all monotheistic.

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