The revival (not "resurrection") of Jesus Christ?

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The revival (not "resurrection") of Jesus Christ?

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According to the following purported first-hand witness account, Jesus Christ, after being crucified, went into a deep, death-like trance and was revived.

Question for debate: How believable is the following account?

"Ancient Demon," according to its own account at http://earthwarning.org/index.php/here-be-demons/ , is the sole remaining demon of the ancient Hebrew royal demons, a group that continued in their duty to protect members of the House of David after the kingdoms of Israel and Judea ceased to exist. (As Ancient Demon relates, all but two of the royal demons perished at the time of the Roman destruction of Jerusalem.)

Ancient Demon, by its account, acted as a protector at the time of the crucifixion of Jesus Christ. It gives a lengthy description of what happened when Jesus was on the cross (see the link above), and then relates the following:
Ancient Demon will now describe what happened after Jesus put himself into a deep trance, as if he were dead. The Roman soldiers talked about piercing Jesus in the side, as is described in the Bible. However, the Romans decided not to do that, because it would have made a mess and they were charged with disposing of the body. The Romans then decided to make a bet about how quickly the other two freedom fighters would last. If they lasted longer than five hours, the man who bet that they would last shorter would have to break their legs, so they would suffocate. However, if they lasted shorter than five hours, the man would get their belongings, which were in a small pile to the side of the crucifixion. The man who bet that they would last less than five hours lost his bet, and he broke their legs, and they suffocated. Jesus had been on the cross, apparently dead, all this time.

After this, the three crosses were taken down and the three bodies were removed by pulling the spikes out roughly. One of the freedom fighters hands was almost torn off, and Ancient Demon was afraid that something similar would happen to Jesus. However, Ancient Demon decided to affect the soldier who was responsible for taking the spikes out of Jesuss body. This soldier therefore decided to make a gesture of being respectful in order to appease the crowd of followers. The soldier took the spikes out of Jesus carefully and therefore there was little or no further damage to Jesus. However, there was continued bleeding, and Ancient Demon knew that Jesus could potentially lose too much blood. So Ancient Demon entered the body of Jesus and made a point of affecting the blood vessels to make them constrict. This had the result of ensuring that Jesus didnt bleed to death.

After this, Ancient Demon knew that, because Jesus was going to be given a proper burial, there was hope that Jesus would be able to revive himself. Ancient Demon knew that it would be able to assist Jesus, but Ancient Demon was concerned about not having enough energy. For this reason, Ancient Demon, after discovering who was in charge of taking care of the burial, left and returned to the prince. Ancient Demon explained to the prince that Jesus was not dead. The prince wanted to make an effort to help Jesus, but the prince realized that this would be probably suicidal. The prince therefore was able to give energy to Ancient Demon by focusing, much as John does, and giving Ancient Demon a full supply of energy so that Ancient Demon could go to the grave and help revive Jesus. When Ancient Demon returned to the grave, Ancient Demon discovered that Jesus had not been buried but rather transferred to a tomb that was empty. Ancient Demon thus had a much easier time taking care of Jesus. Ancient Demon entered Jesuss body and helped heal Jesuss wounds, by affecting the energy field around the lacerations. This had the effect of making sure that Jesus wouldnt start bleeding when he started moving.

Ancient Demon then began to try to revive Jesus. Ancient Demon knew that it had limited time and energy, and it knew that there was little time for Jesus before he died, so Ancient Demon decided to make a gamble that one surge of energy would be sufficient to revive Jesus. Ancient Demon knew that, because Jesus was unable to revive himself, he would simply die without anyone knowing that he was still alive. So Ancient Demon did what it had to do, risking running out of energy, because Ancient Demon knew that Jesuss survival was important to the future of the Hebrews. Ancient Demon knew that, if Jesus survived but was hidden, there would be considerable support for his brother James, and this would preserve the royal family. However, if Jesus simply died, the other members of the royal family would be exterminated eventually, as happened with the family of Jude.

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Re: Believe it or not?

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John Human wrote:
Of course, beliefs that were embraced when young, because of fear of punishment or hope of reward or simply to please a beloved authority figure, can become internalized as "reasons" for rejecting suppositions that don't fit into the box of a pre-existing world view.
That's a good caveat. Wordsworth called the child "the father of the man" and of course the Jesuit would say "give me the boy and I will give you the man."

I wonder how successfully we discard our earlier notions. Are we unwary prisoners, even when we are stating how well we know the pitfalls of indoctrination? In discarding one system of errors who is to say that habit will not lead us into other errors?

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John Human wrote: I have to wonder why not. Why "no reason"?
Because no one has provided enough reason.
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