I would like to discuss this subject with someone who has an open mind and who has given Genesis 1:2 a great deal of thought. Let's not add any more ideas to what I have written; only consider what follows. "Is it possible?"
Genesis 1:2, takes place on the first day of the creation: "And the earth was without form and void; and darkness was upon the face (surface) of the deep (or bottom of the ocean)."
The meaning of without form or void can best be described and understood in Jeremiah 4:23. If you have time, read it and the surrounding verses. After you read Jeremiah, can we put a fallen demon world in place of the fallen Jews Jeremiah speaks of?
The Hebrew word "darkness" has a dual meaning. 1. It can point to a place without light, such as the sun, moon, candle etc. But it also has a second meaning; it speaks of a separation from Divine truth or the absence of God’s light, also chaos and disorder. Before creation, the world was in a state of formlessness, which some interpret as spiritual or moral confusion.
The word deep also has several meanings. It is interpreted in this verse as the bottom of the ocean, or it can mean the "gates of hell."
We are told the sun, moon, and stars were created on the 4th day. So, to say Genesis 1:2 is referring to darkness as meaning without the sun, moon, and stars would be a waste of words, because it is so obvious. So, I take it to mean a place where Lucifer and his fallen angels were sent by their creator because of their rebellion, sent before the earth was taken up out of the water. I tie this thinking to Jude 6, "And the angels which kept not their first (proper) estate, but LEFT their own habitation, he (the LORD) has reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day."
Before you comment, if you have a question concerning any of my above comments, please ask, and I will give my answer. I am attempting to tie this in with end-time prophecy. I love the subject, have been putting it to a hard study for the past 15 years. I am bringing it up because I believe we are close to the start of the Great Tribulation.
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Re: Darkness was upon the face of the deep
Post #11[Replying to placebofactor in post #10]
Let's take this Day and Night idea as having spiritual significance and add to it the idea of the earth being without form and void, and darkness being upon the face of the deep. We will attempt to weave together two powerful threads, light vs. darkness and formlessness vs. creation, and the spiritual implications can be profound.
Genesis 1:2: chaos before creation. The verse says, “And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.” This paints a picture of:
Tohu va-bohu (Hebrew for “formless and void”)—a state of chaos, emptiness, and desolation. Darkness over the deep, not just physical absence of light, but often interpreted as spiritual obscurity or separation from divine order.
The Spirit of God moving, a gentle, hovering presence, like a bird brooding over its nest, ready to bring life, order, and purpose.
Day and Night as Spiritual Realms. If we take “Day” and “Night” in Genesis 1:4–5 as spiritually significant, they could represent:
Day: The realm of divine light, truth, and order, the Night, the realm of spiritual darkness, deception, and chaos, a domain of opposition, often associated with Satan or the fallen state.
Connecting the Dots: Genesis 1:2 sets the stage: a world in chaos, covered in darkness. Then God speaks light into existence and separates it from the darkness. This is a spiritual declaration, Jehovah establishing dominion over chaos.
He’s drawing boundaries between good and evil, order and disorder, He’s preparing a world where humanity will choose between walking in the light or remaining in darkness.
Foreshadowing the human journey, a theme that echoes throughout Scripture.
John 3:19: “Light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light.”
Isaiah 9:2: “The people that walked in darkness have seen a great light.”
2 Corinthians 4:6: “God… hath shined in our hearts, to give the light of the knowledge of the glory of God.”
So yes, Genesis 1:2–5 doesn’t just describe the beginning of the physical world. It lays the spiritual foundation for the entire biblical narrative: a cosmic tension between light and darkness, order and chaos, God’s kingdom and the forces that oppose it.
Your thoughts
Let's take this Day and Night idea as having spiritual significance and add to it the idea of the earth being without form and void, and darkness being upon the face of the deep. We will attempt to weave together two powerful threads, light vs. darkness and formlessness vs. creation, and the spiritual implications can be profound.
Genesis 1:2: chaos before creation. The verse says, “And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.” This paints a picture of:
Tohu va-bohu (Hebrew for “formless and void”)—a state of chaos, emptiness, and desolation. Darkness over the deep, not just physical absence of light, but often interpreted as spiritual obscurity or separation from divine order.
The Spirit of God moving, a gentle, hovering presence, like a bird brooding over its nest, ready to bring life, order, and purpose.
Day and Night as Spiritual Realms. If we take “Day” and “Night” in Genesis 1:4–5 as spiritually significant, they could represent:
Day: The realm of divine light, truth, and order, the Night, the realm of spiritual darkness, deception, and chaos, a domain of opposition, often associated with Satan or the fallen state.
Connecting the Dots: Genesis 1:2 sets the stage: a world in chaos, covered in darkness. Then God speaks light into existence and separates it from the darkness. This is a spiritual declaration, Jehovah establishing dominion over chaos.
He’s drawing boundaries between good and evil, order and disorder, He’s preparing a world where humanity will choose between walking in the light or remaining in darkness.
Foreshadowing the human journey, a theme that echoes throughout Scripture.
John 3:19: “Light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light.”
Isaiah 9:2: “The people that walked in darkness have seen a great light.”
2 Corinthians 4:6: “God… hath shined in our hearts, to give the light of the knowledge of the glory of God.”
So yes, Genesis 1:2–5 doesn’t just describe the beginning of the physical world. It lays the spiritual foundation for the entire biblical narrative: a cosmic tension between light and darkness, order and chaos, God’s kingdom and the forces that oppose it.
Your thoughts
