Why is Jesus mentioned with God

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Why is Jesus mentioned with God

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1. Romans 1:7
“Grace to you and peace from God our Father, and the Lord Jesus Christ.”

2. 1 Corinthians 1:3
“Grace be unto you, and peace, from God our Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ.”

3. 2 Corinthians 1:2
“Grace be to you and peace from God our Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ.”

4. Galatians 1:3
“Grace be to you and peace from God the Father, and from our Lord Jesus Christ.”

5. Ephesians 1:2
“Grace be to you, and peace, from God our Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ.”

6. Philippians 1:2
“Grace be unto you, and peace, from God our Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ.”

7. Colossians 1:3
“We give thanks to God and the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, praying always for you.”

8. 1 Thessalonians 1:1
“…Grace be unto you, and peace, from God our Father, and the Lord Jesus Christ.”

9. 2 Thessalonians 1:2
“Grace unto you, and peace, from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.”

10. Titus 1:4
“Grace, mercy, and peace, from God the Father and the Lord Jesus Christ our Saviour.”
Paul just seems to refuse to give God the glory that is His alone.

If God and Jesus are separate, Jesus is created etc. Then why would the Bible, the authors of which care about the shema, keep drawing our attention to not God? How much not God for example is in the books of the Bible mentioned in the quoted verses.
Proverbs 18:17 The one who states his case first seems right, until the other comes and examines him.

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Re: Why is Jesus mentioned with God

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[Replying to BruceLeiter in post #10]

"John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God." from post 10 (emphasis added).

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After many dozens of hours of study of John 1:1c and John's grammar usage that is parallel to it, I have proven that the honest translation should be "... and the Word was a god."

https://examiningthetrinity.blogspot.co ... -11c.html

https://examiningthetrinity.blogspot.co ... c-a.html
and

https://examiningthetrinity.blogspot.co ... er_21.html

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Re: Why is Jesus mentioned with God

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tygger too wrote: Sat Apr 18, 2026 5:26 pm [Replying to BruceLeiter in post #10]

"John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God." from post 10 (emphasis added).

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After many dozens of hours of study of John 1:1c and John's grammar usage that is parallel to it, I have proven that the honest translation should be "... and the Word was a god."

https://examiningthetrinity.blogspot.co ... -11c.html

https://examiningthetrinity.blogspot.co ... c-a.html
and

https://examiningthetrinity.blogspot.co ... er_21.html
Isn't the best thing, in this regard, to come to and call on the Lord God, and seek the truth from Him? How do you believe in God?

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Re: Why is Jesus mentioned with God

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[Replying to tygger too in post #6]

That passage speaks to the different roles the Father and Jesus fulfill, @tygger too, not to their status as being both fully God.

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Re: Why is Jesus mentioned with God

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[Replying to tygger too in post #6]

That passage speaks to the different roles the Father and Jesus fulfill, @tygger too, not to their status as being both fully God.

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