It's all well and good to debate, and I've been told I'm the best here, but lets try this. I see a lot of folks hollerin bout how so and so is not a true this and that cause of such and such.
Lets see what the religions do share
1- Seems like the Christians and the Jewish and the Muslims all worship the same God.
2- That's all I got.
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Arayhay answered with a long quote from the Gospel of John chapter 10Ilias Ahmad wrote:Where did he "foretell" his death?
Most scholars agree on a range of c. 90–100 for when the gospel was written, though dates as early as the 60s or as late as the 140s have been advanced by a small number of scholars. [wikipedia]
Most authors writing about people who came to untimely ends include whatever foreshadowing they can.
Examine everything carefully; hold fast to that which is good.
First Epistle to the Church of the Thessalonians
The truth will make you free.
Gospel of John
First Epistle to the Church of the Thessalonians
The truth will make you free.
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Post #12Let me see if I can help out here.
I doubt very much that there are any theological points at all that all religions have in common, other than of the most general kind, and maybe not even then. It is my understanding, for instance, that Buddhism has little or nothing to say about God.
It is in the ethic and the practices of religions where commonality or similarity can be found. All religions, for instance, have a version of the Golden Rule; "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you." The Jewish version is phrased negatively: "That which is hateful to you, do not do to your neighbor." Islam, Hinduism, Buddhism, all have similar principles.
(Satanism does not have such a rule; it is an exception in most ethical matters, being dedicated to the self. On the other hand, Satanism is more theater than religion, and one doubts if anyone sincerely holds those beliefs, as opposed to merely posturing for shock effect.)
All religions value giving assistance to the poor and destitute.
All religions prohibit the murder of innocent persons (though that is currently a common practice among some Islamic extremists, the religion still formally abhors it as an abomination).
All religions prohibit theft.
On practices, we are on less firm ground. I believe all these to be true, but I could be wrong:
All religions have a sacred book, books, or other body of learning that is important to its beliefs.
All religions have some sort of building, temple, shrine or other structure dedicated to study, worship, prayer, and/or the housing of religious workers or clergy.
All religions have designated times and places for regular meetings, for worship, prayer, study, or other group activities.
All religions have certain songs, chants or other oral expressions of belief or devotion that are repeated, often as a group, but also individually.
All religions have some institution or practice equivalent to marriage, though not all practice monogamy.
All religions have some rite or practice that is associated with the births of children; christening, circumcision, a naming ceremony, or baptism.
All religions have some sort of ritual associated with eating, either a symbolic meal, as in the Christian Communion sacrament, or a literal ritual meal as in the Passover seder, or feasts associated with a certain season, as with the Islamic Ramadan.
All religions have some practices related to honoring and remembering the dead and interring or cremating the body.
All religions have specific days set aside for the celebration or commemoration of events in the past.
Most, if not all, religions have designated leaders or teachers, such as ministers, priests, rabbis, or imams.
Most, if not all, religions have some ceremony or practice having to do with a "coming of age" in early adolescence; some are less pleasant than others.
Most, if not all, religions practice some form of self-denial at certain times and seasons, such as periodic fasts or times when certain foods (or other practices, such as bathing or sex) are prohibited.
Most, if not all, religions recognize certain subgroups within the faith who are especially dedicated or considered especially holy, such as monks, nuns, "holy men," or ascetics.
Most, if not all, religions have a symbol or symbols that are recognized as signifying that faith and that are worn as personal adornment or as decorations for religious buildings.
Most, if not all, religions have a special or distinctive style or feature of dress or headwear that is characteristic of that faith or its clergy (with the curious exception of American Protestants).
Some things that might be thought of as commonalities, but aren't:
NOT all religions specify a belief in a Supreme Being.
NOT all religions specify certain dogmas or doctrines that must ne believed,
NOT all religions teach that theirs is the only true faith or belief and that all others are false.
NOT all religions teach that there is a Heaven, a Paradise, a Nirvana, reincarnation, or some other mode of existence after death.
NOT all religions teach that belief or faith is all-important.
Can anyone think of more? I've run out of ideas.
I doubt very much that there are any theological points at all that all religions have in common, other than of the most general kind, and maybe not even then. It is my understanding, for instance, that Buddhism has little or nothing to say about God.
It is in the ethic and the practices of religions where commonality or similarity can be found. All religions, for instance, have a version of the Golden Rule; "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you." The Jewish version is phrased negatively: "That which is hateful to you, do not do to your neighbor." Islam, Hinduism, Buddhism, all have similar principles.
(Satanism does not have such a rule; it is an exception in most ethical matters, being dedicated to the self. On the other hand, Satanism is more theater than religion, and one doubts if anyone sincerely holds those beliefs, as opposed to merely posturing for shock effect.)
All religions value giving assistance to the poor and destitute.
All religions prohibit the murder of innocent persons (though that is currently a common practice among some Islamic extremists, the religion still formally abhors it as an abomination).
All religions prohibit theft.
On practices, we are on less firm ground. I believe all these to be true, but I could be wrong:
All religions have a sacred book, books, or other body of learning that is important to its beliefs.
All religions have some sort of building, temple, shrine or other structure dedicated to study, worship, prayer, and/or the housing of religious workers or clergy.
All religions have designated times and places for regular meetings, for worship, prayer, study, or other group activities.
All religions have certain songs, chants or other oral expressions of belief or devotion that are repeated, often as a group, but also individually.
All religions have some institution or practice equivalent to marriage, though not all practice monogamy.
All religions have some rite or practice that is associated with the births of children; christening, circumcision, a naming ceremony, or baptism.
All religions have some sort of ritual associated with eating, either a symbolic meal, as in the Christian Communion sacrament, or a literal ritual meal as in the Passover seder, or feasts associated with a certain season, as with the Islamic Ramadan.
All religions have some practices related to honoring and remembering the dead and interring or cremating the body.
All religions have specific days set aside for the celebration or commemoration of events in the past.
Most, if not all, religions have designated leaders or teachers, such as ministers, priests, rabbis, or imams.
Most, if not all, religions have some ceremony or practice having to do with a "coming of age" in early adolescence; some are less pleasant than others.
Most, if not all, religions practice some form of self-denial at certain times and seasons, such as periodic fasts or times when certain foods (or other practices, such as bathing or sex) are prohibited.
Most, if not all, religions recognize certain subgroups within the faith who are especially dedicated or considered especially holy, such as monks, nuns, "holy men," or ascetics.
Most, if not all, religions have a symbol or symbols that are recognized as signifying that faith and that are worn as personal adornment or as decorations for religious buildings.
Most, if not all, religions have a special or distinctive style or feature of dress or headwear that is characteristic of that faith or its clergy (with the curious exception of American Protestants).
Some things that might be thought of as commonalities, but aren't:
NOT all religions specify a belief in a Supreme Being.
NOT all religions specify certain dogmas or doctrines that must ne believed,
NOT all religions teach that theirs is the only true faith or belief and that all others are false.
NOT all religions teach that there is a Heaven, a Paradise, a Nirvana, reincarnation, or some other mode of existence after death.
NOT all religions teach that belief or faith is all-important.
Can anyone think of more? I've run out of ideas.
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Good one, as usual, well said.
If I may add a point, my devil avatar is a penguin dressed as the devil. I did it for the shock/mock value (someone called me evil in one of the threads). You're point about satanism was spot on for me. Just so everyone knows - I have no belief in satan.
If I may add a point, my devil avatar is a penguin dressed as the devil. I did it for the shock/mock value (someone called me evil in one of the threads). You're point about satanism was spot on for me. Just so everyone knows - I have no belief in satan.
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Post #14The screen on my blackberry is about 1-1/2" square. I thought it was an owl.joeyknuccione wrote:Good one, as usual, well said.
If I may add a point, my devil avatar is a penguin dressed as the devil. I did it for the shock/mock value (someone called me evil in one of the threads). You're point about satanism was spot on for me. Just so everyone knows - I have no belief in satan.
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Re: My Religion is Similar to Yours in the Following Ways...
Post #15from what I understand.joeyknuccione wrote:It's all well and good to debate, and I've been told I'm the best here, but lets try this. I see a lot of folks hollerin bout how so and so is not a true this and that cause of such and such.
Lets see what the religions do share
1- Seems like the Christians and the Jewish and the Muslims all worship the same God.
2- That's all I got.
Help build this list so we can show our commonalities, and not our differences.
The difference between a jew a christian and a muslim is this.
Jews are waiting for the messiah.
Christians say he's come once.
Muslims say he's already done the second coming.
According to muslims all christians are going to hell.
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And I thought it was because Linux is Satan's OS.joeyknuccione wrote:Good one, as usual, well said.
If I may add a point, my devil avatar is a penguin dressed as the devil. I did it for the shock/mock value (someone called me evil in one of the threads). You're point about satanism was spot on for me. Just so everyone knows - I have no belief in satan.
TC
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Thought Criminal wrote:And I thought it was because Linux is Satan's OS.joeyknuccione wrote:Good one, as usual, well said.
If I may add a point, my devil avatar is a penguin dressed as the devil. I did it for the shock/mock value (someone called me evil in one of the threads). You're point about satanism was spot on for me. Just so everyone knows - I have no belief in satan.
TC
hahahahahaha, I've actually heard that one.
Re: My Religion is Similar to Yours in the Following Ways...
Post #18Norman, I think you've got it. The only thing I would have to disagree with you on is that it is extremely difficult to say "all religions" about anything. For example, most earth religions do not have religious books--or at least not one uniform one like the Torah. Rather, they have a lot of different authors explaining a lot of different things and, while some might be considered more authoritative than others, none are must-haves. Also, earth religions don't necessarily have buildings or scheduled meetings. So, "most but not all" is always a good phrase when discussing religions.
It is a little more complicated than that. There are truly fundamental differences between Jews and Christians (the only two religions of the three that I talk about with any real knowledge) on basically everything beyond what Norman listed above.
true atheist wrote:
from what I understand.
The difference between a jew a christian and a muslim is this.
Jews are waiting for the messiah.
Christians say he's come once.
Muslims say he's already done the second coming.
According to muslims all christians are going to hell.
It is a little more complicated than that. There are truly fundamental differences between Jews and Christians (the only two religions of the three that I talk about with any real knowledge) on basically everything beyond what Norman listed above.
