If god created...

[bernee51]

OK theists you reckon god did all the creating.

Did he set things in motion e.g. the Big Bang and then let evolution take over?

Or is he still creating as we trundle along?

Or did he stop his business of creating sometime between now and the Big Bang?

These would be the only three options as far as I can tell (other than him not existing at all)

So which is it?

[InTheFlesh]

You have it twisted.
It was God who created man
not the other way around.
You say that man made up God in his mind,
but it is because of God that we have a mind.

[bernee51]

You have it twisted.
It was God who created man

ck to front.

not the other way around.
You say that man made up God in his mind,..

Did man make up Zeus? Did man make up Odin? Did man make up Allah? Did man make up Yahweh? You get the picture?

....but it is because of God that we have a mind.

We have a mind because we have a highly evolved neural network. It allows us to not only know but know that we know. That ability led us to invent god to provide answers to questions which seemed imponderable.

[justifyothers]

OK theists you reckon god did all the creating.

Did he set things in motion e.g. the Big Bang and then let evolution take over?

Or is he still creating as we trundle along?

Or did he stop his business of creating sometime between now and the Big Bang?

These would be the only three options as far as I can tell (other than him not existing at all)

So which is it?

I'm in for options 1 and 2.
I think God created evolution as the mechanism by which to evolve -he he. But I think He still creates, as the universe seems to be constantly expanding and changing.
And, looking around me, I think God is very creative

[bernee51]

OK theists you reckon god did all the creating.

Did he set things in motion e.g. the Big Bang and then let evolution take over?

Or is he still creating as we trundle along?

Or did he stop his business of creating sometime between now and the Big Bang?

These would be the only three options as far as I can tell (other than him not existing at all)

So which is it?

I'm in for options 1 and 2.
I think God created evolution as the mechanism by which to evolve -he he. But I think He still creates, as the universe seems to be constantly expanding and changing.
And, looking around me, I think God is very creative

If I believed in a god it would be the way I would think as well. Given that I can envisage what we see as being not in need of a creator then I can't see why a god is necessary.

Logically - if that is ALL god is doing and he/she/it is not otherwise interfering in the ways of men then he/she/it might as well not exist.

[justifyothers]

OK theists you reckon god did all the creating.

Did he set things in motion e.g. the Big Bang and then let evolution take over?

Or is he still creating as we trundle along?

Or did he stop his business of creating sometime between now and the Big Bang?

These would be the only three options as far as I can tell (other than him not existing at all)

So which is it?

I'm in for options 1 and 2.
I think God created evolution as the mechanism by which to evolve -he he. But I think He still creates, as the universe seems to be constantly expanding and changing.
And, looking around me, I think God is very creative

If I believed in a god it would be the way I would think as well. Given that I can envisage what we see as being not in need of a creator then I can't see why a god is necessary.

Logically - if that is ALL god is doing and he/she/it is not otherwise interfering in the ways of men then he/she/it might as well not exist.

Yep - unless God does some creating through us or within us as we trundle along

I can totally see not understanding why a god is necessary. If you look around, it doesn't seem like one would be. Maybe we don't view God as necessary until we begin to trust Him. I don't think I ever looked for God out of necessity - things seemed to trundle along just fine.

I'm going to use the word trundle every day now - it's so Aussie

[Cathar1950]

You have it twisted.
It was God who created man

ck to front.

not the other way around.
You say that man made up God in his mind,..

Did man make up Zeus? Did man make up Odin? Did man make up Allah? Did man make up Yahweh? You get the picture?

....but it is because of God that we have a mind.

We have a mind because we have a highly evolved neural network. It allows us to not only know but know that we know. That ability led us to invent god to provide answers to questions which seemed imponderable.

Which god?
I read it was Ea.
Did the Hebrew God create man or did the Christian God?
The Gnostic tradition took issue with the Hebrew God and couldn't believe that the God that created evil matter was the Father of Jesus.
Of course the Hebrew God seems to disappear and humans are given the responsibility.
I suspect that the Hebrew writers like those before them thought the world needed a creator and had to be created and maybe it doesn't.
We even see traces in the Psalms and the prophets that God created the world from the dead body of the Serpent.
I have no doubt our conceptions of God have evolved.
Not only does IntheFlesh have nothing but opinion but it is rather empty at that.

[OnceConvinced]

And, looking around me, I think God is very creative

I guess, like beauty. It's in the eye of the beholder. I wonder if on another planet somewhere, a planet completely inhospitable to us, there are aliens living, who think their planet is amazing like we think our planet is. If they had come across our planet, uninhabited, they might think it was a hellhole. Perhaps they may wonder how the heck anyone could live on it and wonder how life could possibly survive here.

Pure speculation, I know, but it may be that we think our planet is so wonderful because it just happens to suit us, which of course it would if evolution is a factor. Perhaps we are just a pool of water sitting in a hole and marvelling at what an amazing and comfortable fit it is?

[InTheFlesh]

Which god?
I read it was Ea.
Did the Hebrew God create man or did the Christian God?
The Gnostic tradition took issue with the Hebrew God and couldn't believe that the God that created evil matter was the Father of Jesus.
Of course the Hebrew God seems to disappear and humans are given the responsibility.
I suspect that the Hebrew writers like those before them thought the world needed a creator and had to be created and maybe it doesn't.
We even see traces in the Psalms and the prophets that God created the world from the dead body of the Serpent.
I have no doubt our conceptions of God have evolved.
Not only does IntheFlesh have nothing but opinion but it is rather empty at that.

The Christian God is the Hebrew God.

"For the LORD giveth wisdom: out of his mouth cometh knowledge and understanding"

[Cathar1950]

Which god?
I read it was Ea.
Did the Hebrew God create man or did the Christian God?
The Gnostic tradition took issue with the Hebrew God and couldn't believe that the God that created evil matter was the Father of Jesus.
Of course the Hebrew God seems to disappear and humans are given the responsibility.
I suspect that the Hebrew writers like those before them thought the world needed a creator and had to be created and maybe it doesn't.
We even see traces in the Psalms and the prophets that God created the world from the dead body of the Serpent.
I have no doubt our conceptions of God have evolved.
Not only does IntheFlesh have nothing but opinion but it is rather empty at that.

The Christian God is the Hebrew God.

"For the LORD giveth wisdom: out of his mouth cometh knowledge and understanding"

So they say.
I guess God must change.
So what are you saying?

[InTheFlesh]

I'm saying the word of God comes with substance.
What are you saying?