Christians Favor Abortion

[Zzyzx]

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Many Christians here and elsewhere claim to be very opposed to abortion. BUT when confronted with an unwanted pregnancy Christian women (including Evangelicals) have the very abortion they claim to oppose – a half a million times per year.

A 1994/95 survey (2,3) of nearly 10,000 abortion patients showed 18% of women having abortions are born-again or Evangelical Christians. Many of these women are likely anti-choice. The survey also showed that Catholic women have an abortion rate 29% higher than Protestant women. A Planned Parenthood handbook on abortion notes that nearly half of all abortions are for women who describe themselves as born-again Christian, Evangelical Christian, or Catholic.

http://mypage.direct.ca/w/writer/anti-tales.html

The article has several ironic citations about "Pro-Life" women who have abortions including this one:

"I've had several cases over the years in which the anti-abortion patient had rationalized in one way or another that her case was the only exception, but the one that really made an impression was the college senior who was the president of her campus Right-to-Life organization, meaning that she had worked very hard in that organization for several years. As I was completing her procedure, I asked what she planned to do about her high office in the RTL organization. Her response was a wide-eyed, 'You're not going to tell them, are you!?' When assured that I was not, she breathed a sigh of relief, explaining how important that position was to her and how she wouldn't want this to interfere with it." (Physician, Texas)

Another article

A new study by The Center For Reason (www.CenterForReason.com) finds that Christians have just as many abortions as their non-Christian counterparts. The study concludes that in the year 2000, Christians were responsible for 570,000 abortions. Catholics were found to be the worst offenders, with abortion rates higher than the national average.
http://www.edwardtbabinski.us/articles/ ... rtion.html

Question for debate:

If Christian women have more than half a million abortions per year how can the Christian anti-abortion stance NOT be hypocritical?

[lastcallhall]

Numbers 5 has a procedure for inducing a miscarriage, also known as an abortion described in it. If you look at the the spirit 'I.e. soul' does not enter the body until 'the breath of life' enters the body. (see Genesis 2.7). Until then, a body can not be considered an 'innocent life' (I am assuming you are talking about Proverbs 6:17, not 6:16).

And, exodus 21:22-23 makes it clear that a death of a fetus is not murder.[/quote]

Jeremiah 1 :5 clearly states God knew Jeremiah in the womb before he was born, how could he know a blob of flesh? He was already a person. God sent the Holy spirit to John in Elizabeth's womb. Exodus 21 MAKES my argument it says if no serious injury occurs you only pay a fine but if a life is lost, ie the baby, you kill the person who caused the death, take life for life

[lastcallhall]

A true christian is someone who follows and lives what Jesus taught not just give lip service. Why would being selfish ever be good? Do you not feel bad for the unborn child or the couple who wants to adopt? The mother robs that from everyone to keep herself as happy and inconvenienced as possible

[lastcallhall]

One more question how is in not murder if the baby has a detecable heartbeat after 18 days, it may be sooner that is just the earliest science can pickup on it.

[bernee51]

A true christian is someone who follows and lives what Jesus taught not just give lip service.

Given that no one knows what Jesus actually taught this point is moot.

The 'christian' message has varied with the times and the interpretations and I can see no reason why it will not continue to do so. The 'christian' message has been used to create both great good and great suffering.

Why would being selfish ever be good?

Did I claim it was 'good'

Do you not feel bad for the unborn child or the couple who wants to adopt?

I feel for the terrible decisions and struggles people face in their life.

The mother robs that from everyone to keep herself as happy and inconvenienced as possible

And this you see as 'bad'?

Do you not strive to keep your self and your family as happy as possible? Even it this sometimes goes against the wishes and rights of another to do the same?

[lastcallhall]

[I agree that everyone makes selfish bad choices, I just hope people make the choice for life because all life is precious

[bernee51]

[I agree that everyone makes selfish bad choices, I just hope people make the choice for life because all life is precious

I would suggest that all is life is sacred. It is an individual responsibilty as to how that sacredness is realized (made real)

[jgh7]

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If abortion is considered murder by Christians, this seems like a lot of "murder" committed by Christian women. Using the church definition of murder to include abortion, Christian women probably account for the greatest number of murders anywhere in the world – a million in less than two years – challenging the world's worst dictators and organizations – and all done by "good" Christian women -- with blood on their hands and "evil in their heart". Will those murders lose their chance to go to heaven?

Good question. I don't have the knowledge to judge who makes it into heaven. Based off of the bible, Christians make it into heaven. But Jesus also explains how many people who claimed to be followers of Christ will be denied at the time of judgment. Many people who claim to be Christian are not Christian.

But as to your question, you might be asking if abortion means you lose your chance to go to heaven. I don't think that it does, but it can severely affect your chances. It's all about establishing a relationship with God. You are greatly separated from God if you have the kind of mindset to get an abortion. But even murderers can turn over new leaves with the help of God, and I believe that they can be saved. That it no way means that they will be saved just because they claim to be Christians.

[Zzyzx]

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The more important question, in my opinion, is how can a group which condemns abortion as murder account for half a million such "murders" per year and STILL claim to be opposed?


Item #1. Many (most?) Christians and Christian "leaders" consider abortion to be murder

Item #2. Christian women have over half a million abortions per year

HOW can these two statements be reconciled?

[jgh7]

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The more important question, in my opinion, is how can a group which condemns abortion as murder account for half a million such "murders" per year and STILL claim to be opposed?


Item #1. Many (most?) Christians and Christian "leaders" consider abortion to be murder

Item #2. Christian women have over half a million abortions per year

HOW can these two statements be reconciled?

Many people are hypocrites. Many people who claim to be Christian do not follow the teachings of Christ. Am I missing the point of your question?

[Zzyzx]

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Many people are hypocrites. Many people who claim to be Christian do not follow the teachings of Christ. Am I missing the point of your question?

I doubt that you have missed the point of my question because you are making excuses for Christianity – and have attempted to exclude self-identified Christians from Christianity.

1) Are people hypocrites if they claim to be Christian but do not follow the teachings of Christ?

2) Are hypocrites not Christian?

3) Are Christians not hypocrites?