Evolution

[keithprosser3]

Given the nature of reproduction and of natural selection isn't evolution inescapable?
How can evolution not happen?

[DanieltheDragon]

If something as simple as a soapbox racer cannot reach 100 mph, how can something as complex as a Formula One car reach 250 mph? Checkmate atheists.

Or how about this one, .. If single celled bacteria left in muddy stale water for millions of years can create something as complex as humans, then how can you Believers believe that a Creator God can exist? Checkmate Believers.

That is not analogious. It is not of the format of "If X CANNOT do Y, then how can something more complex do Y?"

Is it analogous if I repeat it enough

[Star]

Or how about this one, .. If single celled bacteria left in muddy stale water for millions of years can create something as complex as humans, then how can you Believers believe that a Creator God can exist? Checkmate Believers.

Straw man. Humans weren't created by stale muddy water. It was also in the order of billions of years, not millions. Oldest fossils date to more than 3.4-billion-years BP, and are of single-cell organisms that metabolized sulfur.

Earth was still a hot, violent place at this time, with volcanic activity dominating the early Earth. The sky was cloudy and grey, keeping the heat in despite the sun being weaker than today. The water temperature of the oceans was much higher at 40-50 degrees -- the temperature of a hot bath -- and circulating currents were very strong. Any land masses were small, or about the size of Caribbean islands, and the tidal range was huge.

Significantly, there was very little oxygen present as there were no plants or algae yet to photosynthesise and produce oxygen. The new evidence points to early life being sulfur-based, living off and metabolizing compounds containing sulfur rather than oxygen for energy and growth.

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/20 ... 205241.htm

[Star]

I see a car. Did someone create this car? Or is man twiddling his fingers in this, making every bolt, every panel, every electronic circuit, wiring, displays and constantly tuning it to get it to run?

Oh yes, .. that's a car. Someone had to build a car, .. besides, what is a car compared to the genetic/atomic make up of a, .. oh let's say; a lily of the field? Right? How about a man, his brain and his mind?
So what is the answer, ..that the car is easy, so we man had to build it it, it's not like it evolved over billions of years or something, Right?

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Can you prove to us that the cars didn't evolve? I mean rocks and dirt evolved through billions of years of gasses reacting with each other, from which water and the primordial soup evolved and created single celled bacterium, which in turn over a long time inadvertently evolved ape man, right? So why didn't evolution create some simple things like cars and planes?

I mean fine, I grew up in Detroit so I know we man make cars, .. but I have seen cars that I don't remember making, .. could these have evolved over the billions of years along with rocks and the ores we have in rocks? If not, .. why not?

Wow, are you for real?

There's a big difference between metal machines we design and build, and biological organic life which evolves by natural selection. Cars aren't alive. They don't reproduce. They're not made of the same thing. So they don't evolve. We have to build them the way we want them. Do you understand?

[keithprosser3]

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[Aetixintro]

Given the nature of reproduction and of natural selection isn't evolution inescapable?
How can evolution not happen?

I agree! Evolution should be accepted straight in God being the Grand Architect, the Intelligent Designer. Evolution is by God's hand to humanity.

[Goat]

Given the nature of reproduction and of natural selection isn't evolution inescapable?
How can evolution not happen?

I agree! Evolution should be accepted straight in God being the Grand Architect, the Intelligent Designer. Evolution is by God's hand to humanity.

Can you give evidence for God being the grand architect that does not involve religious dogma and speculation??? What can you show me ?

[Clownboat]

Given the nature of reproduction and of natural selection isn't evolution inescapable?
How can evolution not happen?

I agree! Evolution should be accepted straight in God being the Grand Architect, the Intelligent Designer. Evolution is by God's hand to humanity.

Your scenario seems possible (a god being behind it).
It is also un-needed (evolution can happen without a god behind it).

Why do you insert this god concept and is the god concept you insert one you were conditioned to believe in, possibly even from childhood?
Thanks.

[Nilloc James]

Given the nature of reproduction and of natural selection isn't evolution inescapable?
How can evolution not happen?

I agree! Evolution should be accepted straight in God being the Grand Architect, the Intelligent Designer. Evolution is by God's hand to humanity.

As our explanation for the diversity and form of life we can either accept:
A: Evolution
B: Evolution and God

Occam's razor suggests we accept the one that requires the fewest assumptions.

[Star]

Given the nature of reproduction and of natural selection isn't evolution inescapable?
How can evolution not happen?

I agree! Evolution should be accepted straight in God being the Grand Architect, the Intelligent Designer. Evolution is by God's hand to humanity.

We don't know that.

We only know that natural selection is the primary mover and shaker of biological evolution, so that kind of precludes intelligent design, doesn't it?

I find it much more reasonable when theists (or deists) claim god/s initiated the Big Bang with forces and laws tweaked for galaxies, stars, planets, and moons, so life can eventually evolve on its own. There's absolutely no evidence for it, but at least there's no evidence against it. As Einstein used to say, the notion of a personal god is childlike and silly.

[Sonofason]

Given the nature of reproduction and of natural selection isn't evolution inescapable?
How can evolution not happen?

I agree! Evolution should be accepted straight in God being the Grand Architect, the Intelligent Designer. Evolution is by God's hand to humanity.

Your scenario seems possible (a god being behind it).
It is also un-needed (evolution can happen without a god behind it).

Why do you insert this god concept and is the god concept you insert one you were conditioned to believe in, possibly even from childhood?
Thanks.

I would love to see you prove that God is unnecessary for evolution to take place. First, I believe you must prove that there is no God. And of course I know you can't do that. It is impossible to disprove the existence of that which is existent. You can't even disprove the existence of that which is non-existent.