Immortality of the soul

[Xidorn]

Do we as humans posses an immortal soul as believed by most people? I am of the view that we do not.

[mich]

Why, then, didn't Adam and Eve become annihilated the day they ate from the tree?

If Adam and Eve died immediately, then God's new plan for creating everlasting spiritual beings would have been prematurely thwarted. So what does this verse mean?

However,Myth, if Adam would have become immortal by eating from the tree of life, the eating from the tree of knowledge of good and evil would have still made him disobedient unto God, and therefore, a sinner. This would have been a revolt against God as the commandment would have been broken.So I don't quite understand your point in all of this.

Although there is a time of death, death itself involves a process begun at birth. Every human body produced will die. This process was implemented shortly after Adam and Eve ate the forbidden fruit:

I partly agree. Now, before giving my argument against your hypothesis, I will put on the table what seems to be our agreements, something that you do not seem to acknowledge.First you claim that our belief in the immortality of the soul is a lie, created by Satan, for the soul is not something that we possess, but is something that testifies to who we are. The spirit is simply the "breath" within man and animals,as the act of breathing testify to our being alive. The soul is said to be found in the blood, because it( the blood) circulates within the body, being a sign of life.
I, incidently, agree with this, since the physical body is an image of the spiritual body. However, we also acknowledge a higher dimentional life existance, called the spiritual life.What's more, you also believe in a higher spiritual existence, since you believe that Adam, having eating from the tree of life would have received "eternal life". You also believe that such eternal life would exist apart from the physical body,,,,Now,an eternal life apart from the body is "exactly" what we identify as being the "immortal soul". Your only argument left against the hypothesis of the immortal soul would be that we haven't "yet" received an immortal soul but will receive one at the resurrection....this is a far cry from claiming that the immortality of the soul is a lie and an invention of Satan.Therefore, your argument against the immortality of the soul, being the spirit "only" representing breath, and the soul residing in the blood, representing "only" the circulation of blood, doesn't stand on a solid foundation, even from your own point of view.

Now, when Adam and Eve ate from the tree of knowledge, they died. The physical death process started...I agree. However, not much is specified in Genesis concernig this.What "is" specified" is their reception of the sinful nature, that is, their spiritual death. In Genesis 3, we read :1:
Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?
2: And the woman said unto the serpent, We may eat of the fruit of the trees of the garden:
3: But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die.
4: And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die:
5: For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.

Further down, we read:

22And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:

Who's the liar here?God or Satan? Clearly, whether the story is true or not, we do know the author points to the serpent as being the liar.
Notice what happens to Adam and Eve on the day they ate from the tree....

7And the eyes of them both were opened, and they knew that they were naked; and they sewed fig leaves together, and made themselves aprons.
...10And he said, I heard thy voice in the garden, and I was afraid, because I was naked; and I hid myself.

They saw that they were naked and "claimed" nakedness as being a sin.
For God said :11: Who told thee that thou wast naked? Hast thou eaten of the tree, whereof I commanded thee that thou shouldest not eat?

Nakedness was not a sin; Adam "made" nakedness a sin and a reason to fear God.

They therefore "hid" (separated themselves) from God as they were afraid... Afraid of God? Their creator?
"This" is what spiritual death is all about... a perversion of Truth, which separates one form God due to one's false understanding of what one claim as Truth.. From then on, a fearful relationship on the part of man is developed towards God. It would now be the fear of God which would bring one closer to God....until the new birth.This is hell.

And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.

There is a physical bodily process which causes cells to reproduce. When this process stops, human cells age and die as does the person. Scientists believe this process is caused by "telomeres." Telomeres are repeating DNA strings (TTAGGG) that cap chromosomes. Each time a cell divides its telomeres become shorter. When they reach a preset length the cell ceases to divide, ages, and dies. This cell reproduction process halts around the age of one hundred and twenty years.

Barring outside interference from accidents, mayhem, poor habits, etc., man can live to around 120 years. Even the last moments of death follow a process, with the tunnel of light, flashbacks, and a sense of serenity being common attributes.

Adam and Eve began dying when God implemented this dying process in Genesis 6:3 in response to their choosing the forbidden fruit over the Tree of Life.

But the process is still not over for Adam and Eve -- as they are not truly dead according to scripture -- They are asleep.

I don't quite understand, Myth. Why would the death of Adam and Eve be different....I'm not saying that you are wrong, but I don't see any biblical evidence for this.

Genesis, chapter 5
5: Thus all the days that Adam lived were nine hundred and thirty years; and he died.

They will be resurrected as mortal physical bodies at the second resurrection as they did not "die" their first death as believers. They will be judged, told the true gospel plan of salvation, and given a second choice of everlasting life or the second death. It will be another chance to partake of the tree of life:

Where can you show this in scriptures?

To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the tree of life, which is in the midst of the paradise of God. (Revelation 2:7)

Who is he talking about? If Adam, then, why would you claim this?

Andre

[mich]

Why, then, didn't Adam and Eve become annihilated the day they ate from the tree?

If Adam and Eve died immediately, then God's new plan for creating everlasting spiritual beings would have been prematurely thwarted. So what does this verse mean?

However,Myth, if Adam would have become immortal by eating from the tree of life, the eating from the tree of knowledge of good and evil would have still made him disobedient unto God, and therefore, a sinner. This would have been a revolt against God as the commandment would have been broken.So I don't quite understand your point in all of this.

Although there is a time of death, death itself involves a process begun at birth. Every human body produced will die. This process was implemented shortly after Adam and Eve ate the forbidden fruit:

I partly agree. Now, before giving my argument against your hypothesis, I will put on the table what seems to be our agreements, something that you do not seem to acknowledge.First you claim that our belief in the immortality of the soul is a lie, created by Satan, for the soul is not something that we possess, but is something that testifies to who we are. The spirit is simply the "breath" within man and animals,as the act of breathing testify to our being alive. The soul is said to be found in the blood, because it( the blood) circulates within the body, being a sign of life.
I, incidently, agree with this, since the physical body is an image of the spiritual body. However, we also acknowledge a higher dimentional life existance, called the spiritual life.What's more, you also believe in a higher spiritual existence, since you believe that Adam, having eating from the tree of life would have received "eternal life". You also believe that such eternal life would exist apart from the physical body,,,,Now,an eternal life apart from the body is "exactly" what we identify as being the "immortal soul". Your only argument left against the hypothesis of the immortal soul would be that we haven't "yet" received an immortal soul but will receive one at the resurrection....this is a far cry from claiming that the immortality of the soul is a lie and an invention of Satan.Therefore, your argument against the immortality of the soul, being the spirit "only" representing breath, and the soul residing in the blood, representing "only" the circulation of blood, doesn't stand on a solid foundation, even from your own point of view.

Now, when Adam and Eve ate from the tree of knowledge, they died. The physical death process started...I agree. However, not much is specified in Genesis concernig this.What "is" specified" is their reception of the sinful nature, that is, their spiritual death. In Genesis 3, we read :1:
Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?
2: And the woman said unto the serpent, We may eat of the fruit of the trees of the garden:
3: But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die.
4: And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die:
5: For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.

Further down, we read:

22And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:

Who's the liar here?God or Satan? Clearly, whether the story is true or not, we do know the author points to the serpent as being the liar.
Notice what happens to Adam and Eve on the day they ate from the tree....

7And the eyes of them both were opened, and they knew that they were naked; and they sewed fig leaves together, and made themselves aprons.
...10And he said, I heard thy voice in the garden, and I was afraid, because I was naked; and I hid myself.

They saw that they were naked and "claimed" nakedness as being a sin.
For God said :11: Who told thee that thou wast naked? Hast thou eaten of the tree, whereof I commanded thee that thou shouldest not eat?

Nakedness was not a sin; Adam "made" nakedness a sin and a reason to fear God.

They therefore "hid" (separated themselves) from God as they were afraid... Afraid of God? Their creator?
"This" is what spiritual death is all about... a perversion of Truth, which separates one from God due to one's false understanding of what one claim as Truth.. From then on, a fearful relationship on the part of man is developed towards God. It would now be the fear of God which would bring one closer to God....until the new birth.This is hell.

And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.

There is a physical bodily process which causes cells to reproduce. When this process stops, human cells age and die as does the person. Scientists believe this process is caused by "telomeres." Telomeres are repeating DNA strings (TTAGGG) that cap chromosomes. Each time a cell divides its telomeres become shorter. When they reach a preset length the cell ceases to divide, ages, and dies. This cell reproduction process halts around the age of one hundred and twenty years.

Barring outside interference from accidents, mayhem, poor habits, etc., man can live to around 120 years. Even the last moments of death follow a process, with the tunnel of light, flashbacks, and a sense of serenity being common attributes.

Adam and Eve began dying when God implemented this dying process in Genesis 6:3 in response to their choosing the forbidden fruit over the Tree of Life.

But the process is still not over for Adam and Eve -- as they are not truly dead according to scripture -- They are asleep.

I don't quite understand, Myth. Why would the death of Adam and Eve be different....I'm not saying that you are wrong, but I don't see any biblical evidence for this.

Genesis, chapter 5
5: Thus all the days that Adam lived were nine hundred and thirty years; and he died.

They will be resurrected as mortal physical bodies at the second resurrection as they did not "die" their first death as believers. They will be judged, told the true gospel plan of salvation, and given a second choice of everlasting life or the second death. It will be another chance to partake of the tree of life:

Where can you show this in scriptures?

To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the tree of life, which is in the midst of the paradise of God. (Revelation 2:7)

Who is he talking about? If Adam, then, why would you claim this?

Andre

[myth-one.com]

Now,an eternal life apart from the body is "exactly" what we identify as being the "immortal soul". Your only argument left against the hypothesis of the immortal soul would be that we haven't "yet" received an immortal soul but will receive one at the resurrection....this is a far cry from claiming that the immortality of the soul is a lie and an invention of Satan.

The immortal soul myth and lie is that all man are born with an immortal soul.

An eternal life apart from the body is "exactly" what I would identify as being a spiritual being -- which is what Christians will become. Soul is your word choice. Man may become an immortal spiritual body equal unto the angels.

Therefore, your argument against the immortality of the soul, being the spirit "only" representing breath, and the soul residing in the blood, representing "only" the circulation of blood, doesn't stand on a solid foundation, even from your own point of view.

As God is my witness, I do not even understand this type of talk! "Representing breath," "residing in the blood," "representing the circulation" have nothing to do with the spiritual body. Those are physical functions of a physical body.

"This" is what spiritual death is all about... a perversion of Truth, which separates one form God due to one's false understanding of what one claim as Truth.

If a spirit is an immortal being, then the word death does not apply to the spiritual. If something separates a spirit from God, then that spirit is separated from God, not dead! Why do you insist on complicating uncomplicated matters?

This is hell.

Hell is a lake of fire and brimstone.

But the process is still not over for Adam and Eve -- as they are not truly dead according to scripture -- They are asleep.

I don't quite understand, Myth. Why would the death of Adam and Eve be different....I'm not saying that you are wrong, but I don't see any biblical evidence for this.

I do not understand your question. Adam and Eve are no different from any other humans who have died. They are asleep according to the scripture, and will be awaken at their resurrection.

They will be resurrected as mortal physical bodies at the second resurrection as they did not "die" their first death as believers. They will be judged, told the true gospel plan of salvation, and given a second choice of everlasting life or the second death. It will be another chance to partake of the tree of life:

Where can you show this in scriptures?

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For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive. (I Corinthians 15:22)

And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life... (Daniel 12:2)

There will be an order to the resurrections:

But every man in his own order: Christ the first fruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming. (I Corinthians 15:23)

Christians who are alive on the earth when Jesus returns will be born again as spirits and meet Him in the air:

Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. (I Thessalonians 4:17)

Behold, I show you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed. (I Corinthians 15:51)

At this point after the first resurrection, all mankind who died as Christians along with Christians who were alive at the Second Coming have been born again as spiritual beings. There are no more living human Christians on the earth. These new spiritual children of God will now enjoy the millennium Sabbath with Jesus:

Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years. (Revelation 20:6)

The second resurrection for man occurs after the millennium:

But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. (Revelation 20:5)

All who died believing in Jesus were resurrected during the first resurrection. Therefore, all remaining to be resurrected are nonbelievers. Since none of these nonbelievers have their names written in the book of life as heirs to eternal life, they will all be resurrected as mortal human beings:

And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them. And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works. And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works. And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire. (Revelation 20:11-15)

None of those resurrected at the second resurrection had their names written in the book of life when resurrected! Every single human, dead or alive, with their names written in the book of life were born again as spirits at the first resurrection! So why are they checking the book again? Something obviously occurred since these nonbelievers were resurrected to cause the book of life to be modified. Otherwise, there would be no reason to check the book again for their names.

Would God raise these people again as physical bodies only to humiliate them during judgment before casting them into the lake of fire? Why bother raising them from the dead only to inflict another painful physical death upon them? Why not simply allow them to remain dead? Of course, God is love, and He is raising the nonbelievers for a reason! One event prophesied to occur before the end of time is that the gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world:

And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come. (Matthew 24:14)

In fact, the scriptures state that the gospel is preached to those that are now dead! From the New International Version of The Holy Bible:

For this is the reason the gospel was preached even to those who are now dead, so that they might be judged according to men in regard to the body, but live according to God in regard to the spirit. (I Peter 4:5)

The dead cannot be preached to while dead, as the dead know absolutely nothing:

For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing... (Ecclesiastes 9:5)

Those that are "now dead" can only be preached to after regaining consciousness. These dead nonbelievers have known nothing since their first human death. They will regain consciousness upon being resurrected from the dead as humans once again at the second resurrection. At that time, they will be taught the true good news of the scriptures and may accept Jesus as their Savior and gain everlasting spiritual life with God at that time! Adam and Eve will be included in this group of nonbelievers.

After judgment, those with their names written in the book of life are allowed to eat from the Tree of Life and gain everlasting life. Those not in the book suffer their second death in the lake of fire.
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To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the tree of life, which is in the midst of the paradise of God. (Revelation 2:7)

Who is he talking about? If Adam, then, why would you claim this?

He is talking to all mankind -- anyone can overcometh. Including Adam.

[nimesh0775]

Do we as humans posses an immortal soul as believed by most people? I am of the view that we do not.

Humans do not possess an immortal soul. We as immortal souls currently possess the inanimate bodies of humans, made up of earth, water, fire, air and ether. Some immortal souls possess a human body. Other immortal souls possess an animal body, others the body of a plant, others the body of a microbe etc. The living sparks, known as souls, within the material world enter into bodies made up of all sorts of matter (which is inanimate).

[myth-one.com]

Do we as humans posses an immortal soul as believed by most people? I am of the view that we do not.

Humans do not possess an immortal soul. We as immortal souls currently possess the inanimate bodies of humans, made up of earth, water, fire, air and ether. Some immortal souls possess a human body. Other immortal souls possess an animal body, others the body of a plant, others the body of a microbe etc. The living sparks, known as souls, within the material world enter into bodies made up of all sorts of matter (which is inanimate).

Is that from the Old or New Testament?

[mich]

Now,an eternal life apart from the body is "exactly" what we identify as being the "immortal soul". Your only argument left against the hypothesis of the immortal soul would be that we haven't "yet" received an immortal soul but will receive one at the resurrection....this is a far cry from claiming that the immortality of the soul is a lie and an invention of Satan.

The immortal soul myth and lie is that all man are born with an immortal soul.

An eternal life apart from the body is "exactly" what I would identify as being a spiritual being -- which is what Christians will become. Soul is your word choice. Man may become an immortal spiritual body equal unto the angels.

ok; It think that's what I wrote. We agree that the soul(person) dies.
However, at first, you claim that death means anhiliation (the dead know nothing), but then, you seem to make a second claim that the death Adam experienced on the day he ate from the tree was a "dying process" ....but death, in this case, cannot mean anhiliation. While I agree with you that the dying process started after adam ate from the tree, I also believe that an immediate spiritual death took hold of him as he became afraid of God and hid himself from Him...

Therefore, your argument against the immortality of the soul, being the spirit "only" representing breath, and the soul residing in the blood, representing "only" the circulation of blood, doesn't stand on a solid foundation, even from your own point of view.

As God is my witness, I do not even understand this type of talk! "Representing breath," "residing in the blood," "representing the circulation" have nothing to do with the spiritual body. Those are physical functions of a physical body.

Maybe I mistake your belief with others...I apologize if I did.
The argument was that the word spirit simply means the process of breathing. This would not be sufficient since you also believe that spirit represents more than just a physical attribute of life.
The reason why I wrote this was due to what some others who wrote of this...

Xidorn wrote:
I understand the spirit to be the life force/breath of life/ruach.
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johnwscott wrote:
Our spirit hear, is the same as our breath. When we die, our breath goes out...
Luke 23:46: Jesus called with a loud voice and said: Father, into your hands I entrust my spirit [Greek, pneuma]. When he had said this, he expired.


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Ankh wrote:
In the accounts Mark, and Luke, the phrase 'Gave up the ghost' is being translated from one Greek word 'exepneusen' which means simply to breathe out, or expire. By no stretch of the imagination can this be used to prove that Jesus released an invisible ghost from his body. In both the New American Standard and New International versions, this phrase is rendered 'breathed His last'.

"This" is what spiritual death is all about... a perversion of Truth, which separates one form God due to one's false understanding of what one claim as Truth.

If a spirit is an immortal being, then the word death does not apply to the spiritual. If something separates a spirit from God, then that spirit is separated from God, not dead! Why do you insist on complicating uncomplicated matters?

Rom 6:23 ...the wages of sin is death

Isaiah 59
Sin, Confession and Redemption
1 Surely the arm of the LORD is not too short to save,
nor his ear too dull to hear.
2 But your iniquities have separated
you from your God;
your sins have hidden his face from you,
so that he will not hear.

But the process is still not over for Adam and Eve -- as they are not truly dead according to scripture -- They are asleep.

I don't quite understand, Myth. Why would the death of Adam and Eve be different....I'm not saying that you are wrong, but I don't see any biblical evidence for this.

I do not understand your question. Adam and Eve are no different from any other humans who have died. They are asleep according to the scripture, and will be awaken at their resurrection.

ok; I thought you did.

They will be resurrected as mortal physical bodies at the second resurrection as they did not "die" their first death as believers.

This is where you loose me.... I thought that you said that the resurrection was not to happen in a physical sense?

They will be judged, told the true gospel plan of salvation, and given a second choice of everlasting life or the second death. It will be another chance to partake of the tree of life:

So the physical resurection will be only temporary...until they eat from the tree of life.

Where can you show this in scriptures?

<========================= HERE BETWEEN THE PURPLE LINES =======================>

For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive. (I Corinthians 15:22)

And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life... (Daniel 12:2)

There will be an order to the resurrections:

But every man in his own order: Christ the first fruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming. (I Corinthians 15:23)

Christians who are alive on the earth when Jesus returns will be born again as spirits and meet Him in the air:

Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. (I Thessalonians 4:17)

Behold, I show you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed. (I Corinthians 15:51)

At this point after the first resurrection, all mankind who died as Christians along with Christians who were alive at the Second Coming have been born again as spiritual beings. There are no more living human Christians on the earth. These new spiritual children of God will now enjoy the millennium Sabbath with Jesus:

Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years. (Revelation 20:6)

The second resurrection for man occurs after the millennium:

But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. (Revelation 20:5)

All who died believing in Jesus were resurrected during the first resurrection.

I agree up to this point; I also believe the resurrection of the dead in Christ will be different. However,we believe the body will indeed remain; it will be the state/level on consciousness which will be different, in my opinion

Therefore, all remaining to be resurrected are nonbelievers. Since none of these nonbelievers have their names written in the book of life as heirs to eternal life, they will all be resurrected as mortal human beings:

And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them. And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works. And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works. And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire. (Revelation 20:11-15)

None of those resurrected at the second resurrection had their names written in the book of life when resurrected! Every single human, dead or alive, with their names written in the book of life were born again as spirits at the first resurrection! So why are they checking the book again? Something obviously occurred since these nonbelievers were resurrected to cause the book of life to be modified. Otherwise, there would be no reason to check the book again for their names.

Would God raise these people again as physical bodies only to humiliate them during judgment before casting them into the lake of fire? Why bother raising them from the dead only to inflict another painful physical death upon them? Why not simply allow them to remain dead? Of course, God is love, and He is raising the nonbelievers for a reason! One event prophesied to occur before the end of time is that the gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world:

And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come. (Matthew 24:14)

In fact, the scriptures state that the gospel is preached to those that are now dead! From the New International Version of The Holy Bible:

For this is the reason the gospel was preached even to those who are now dead, so that they might be judged according to men in regard to the body, but live according to God in regard to the spirit. (I Peter 4:5)

The dead cannot be preached to while dead, as the dead know absolutely nothing:

For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing... (Ecclesiastes 9:5)

Those that are "now dead" can only be preached to after regaining consciousness. These dead nonbelievers have known nothing since their first human death. They will regain consciousness upon being resurrected from the dead as humans once again at the second resurrection. At that time, they will be taught the true good news of the scriptures and may accept Jesus as their Savior and gain everlasting spiritual life with God at that time! Adam and Eve will be included in this group of nonbelievers.

In other words, you claim that between the second resurrection and the final judgement of God, there will be another period where the resurrected will have a second chance to live according to God's law....Is there anything in scriptures which point to such a period?

After judgment, those with their names written in the book of life are allowed to eat from the Tree of Life and gain everlasting life. Those not in the book suffer their second death in the lake of fire.
<============================== END ===============================>

To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the tree of life, which is in the midst of the paradise of God. (Revelation 2:7)

Who is he talking about? If Adam, then, why would you claim this?

He is talking to all mankind -- anyone can overcometh. Including Adam.

ok

Andre

[myth-one.com]

Now,an eternal life apart from the body is "exactly" what we identify as being the "immortal soul". Your only argument left against the hypothesis of the immortal soul would be that we haven't "yet" received an immortal soul but will receive one at the resurrection....this is a far cry from claiming that the immortality of the soul is a lie and an invention of Satan.

If you believe that mankind is born with an immortal soul, then you seal the scripture from your understanding. The scriptures repeatedly state that mankind is born mortal and will die! There is no immortal soul, period. Man is born as a physical being and may be born again as a spiritual being!

However, at first, you claim that death means anhiliation.

Death is annihilation. Adam is resting in his grave awaiting resurrection according to the scripture.

I also believe that an immediate spiritual death took hold of him as he became afraid of God and hid himself from Him...

Spirits are immortal and cannot die. Adam was a mortal man. Spiritual death has no relevance to man. Your statement's only truth is that you believe it. Ask yourself why.

The argument was that the word spirit simply means the process of breathing. This would not be sufficient since you also believe that spirit represents more than just a physical attribute of life.

Excepting that both are living beings, spiritual beings have no physical attributes.

They will be resurrected as mortal physical bodies at the second resurrection as they did not "die" their first death as believers.

This is where you loose me.... I thought that you said that the resurrection was not to happen in a physical sense?

At the first resurrection believers will be resurrected to everlasting spiritual life.

At the second resurrection non-believers will be resurrected as physical beings.

So the physical resurection will be only temporary...until they eat from the tree of life.

Not all of them will. Only those accepting Jesus as their Savior after being resurrected in the second resurrection will be allowed to eat from the tree of life!

However,we believe the body will indeed remain; it will be the state/level on consciousness which will be different, in my opinion.

Then you do not believe the scriptures I quoted. My guess is that it's opinion based along the lines of what you where taught.

In other words, you claim that between the second resurrection and the final judgement of God, there will be another period where the resurrected will have a second chance to live according to God's law....Is there anything in scriptures which point to such a period?

Yes -- read the scripture in posting 133 above.

[fewwillfindit]

Do we as humans posses an immortal soul as believed by most people? I am of the view that we do not.

Humans do not possess an immortal soul. We as immortal souls currently possess the inanimate bodies of humans, made up of earth, water, fire, air and ether. Some immortal souls possess a human body. Other immortal souls possess an animal body, others the body of a plant, others the body of a microbe etc. The living sparks, known as souls, within the material world enter into bodies made up of all sorts of matter (which is inanimate).

Is that from the Old or New Testament?

It's Hindu/Buddhist/New Age mysticism. My guess is that he/she contacts spirit guides, believes in reincarnation, believes in chakras and possibly the kundalini, believes in a great awakening, practices trance meditation, etc.

Definitely not my cup of tea.

[myth-one.com]

Humans do not possess an immortal soul. We as immortal souls currently possess the inanimate bodies of humans, made up of earth, water, fire, air and ether. Some immortal souls possess a human body. Other immortal souls possess an animal body, others the body of a plant, others the body of a microbe etc. The living sparks, known as souls, within the material world enter into bodies made up of all sorts of matter (which is inanimate).

Is that from the Old or New Testament?

It's Hindu/Buddhist/New Age mysticism. My guess is that he/she contacts spirit guides, believes in reincarnation, believes in chakras and possibly the kundalini, believes in a great awakening, practices trance meditation, etc.

I dunno. Matthew, Mark, Luke, Zeus, . . .

[Benoni]

Yes we are a soul; but we are also a spirit. God is a spirit and we were made in His image and likeness which is spirit. When we die our spirit returns to God who gave it; it is our soul which needs to be changed.

From a biblical point of view we do not posses a soul (we ARE "souls"), a soul just being another word for "living breathing being" (or, as in the case of humans "a person").

The bible teaches that the soul far from being "immortal" dies and at that moment ceases to exist.

I agree that we dont have a soul; we are souls. But where does the Bible teach that the soul dies and at that moment ceases to exist?