This Generation Will Not Pass Away:

[Overcomer]

Jesus talks about the destruction of the temple and signs of the end times in Matt. 24:1-35:

1 Jesus left the temple and was walking away when his disciples came up to him to call his attention to its buildings. 2 Do you see all these things? he asked. Truly I tell you, not one stone here will be left on another; every one will be thrown down.

3 As Jesus was sitting on the Mount of Olives, the disciples came to him privately. Tell us, they said, when will this happen, and what will be the sign of your coming and of the end of the age?

4 Jesus answered: Watch out that no one deceives you. 5 For many will come in my name, claiming, I am the Messiah, and will deceive many. 6 You will hear of wars and rumors of wars, but see to it that you are not alarmed. Such things must happen, but the end is still to come. 7 Nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. There will be famines and earthquakes in various places. 8 All these are the beginning of birth pains.

9 Then you will be handed over to be persecuted and put to death, and you will be hated by all nations because of me. 10 At that time many will turn away from the faith and will betray and hate each other, 11 and many false prophets will appear and deceive many people. 12 Because of the increase of wickedness, the love of most will grow cold, 13 but the one who stands firm to the end will be saved. 14 And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in the whole world as a testimony to all nations, and then the end will come.

15 So when you see standing in the holy place the abomination that causes desolation,[a] spoken of through the prophet Daniel"let the reader understand" 16 then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains. 17 Let no one on the housetop go down to take anything out of the house. 18 Let no one in the field go back to get their cloak. 19 How dreadful it will be in those days for pregnant women and nursing mothers! 20 Pray that your flight will not take place in winter or on the Sabbath. 21 For then there will be great distress, unequaled from the beginning of the world until now"and never to be equaled again.

22 If those days had not been cut short, no one would survive, but for the sake of the elect those days will be shortened. 23 At that time if anyone says to you, Look, here is the Messiah! or, There he is! do not believe it. 24 For false messiahs and false prophets will appear and perform great signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect. 25 See, I have told you ahead of time.

26 So if anyone tells you, There he is, out in the wilderness, do not go out; or, Here he is, in the inner rooms, do not believe it. 27 For as lightning that comes from the east is visible even in the west, so will be the coming of the Son of Man. 28 Wherever there is a carcass, there the vultures will gather.

29 Immediately after the distress of those days


the sun will be darkened,
and the moon will not give its light;
the stars will fall from the sky,
and the heavenly bodies will be shaken.

30 Then will appear the sign of the Son of Man in heaven. And then all the peoples of the earth[c] will mourn when they see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven, with power and great glory.[d] 31 And he will send his angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather his elect from the four winds, from one end of the heavens to the other.

32 Now learn this lesson from the fig tree: As soon as its twigs get tender and its leaves come out, you know that summer is near. 33 Even so, when you see all these things, you know that it[e] is near, right at the door. 34 Truly I tell you, this generation will certainly not pass away until all these things have happened. 35 Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will never pass away.

Verse 34 has been the subject of many a debate. My questions are as follows:

What did Jesus mean when he said "this generation will certainly not pass away until all these things have happened?" Who is "this generation"?

[tam]

[Replying to post 187 by polonius.advice]

The word generation has multiple meanings. This is just from the bible usage:

fathered, birth, nativity

[II] that which has been begotten, men of the same stock, a family

...... A. the several ranks of natural descent, the successive members of a
genealogy

...... B. metaph. a group of men very like each other in endowments, pursuits,
character

......... i. esp. in a bad sense, a perverse nation

[III] the whole multitude of men living at the same time

[IV] an age (i.e. the time ordinarily occupied be each successive generation), a
space of 30 - 33 years

https://www.blueletterbible.org/lang/le ... 1074&t=KJV



Peace to you!

[Checkpoint]

What did Jesus mean when he said "this generation will certainly not pass away until all these things have happened?" Who is "this generation"?

When Jesus used the expression, this generation He always meant the generation of His contemporaries.

What he always meant was a generation that included some, but not all, of his contemporaries.

A generation not defined by its physical parentage but by its spiritual parentage.

RESPONSE: Isn't that an assertion without evidence?

MW dictionary -a group of individuals born and living contemporaneously

My assertion is not without evidence, but is made on the basis of the most relevant evidence.

That is, how Jesus used the word "generation", and what kind of Greek usage that illustrates or matches.

[polonius]

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A generation not defined by its physical parentage but by its spiritual parentage.

RESPONSE: Isn't that an assertion without evidence?

MW dictionary -a group of individuals born and living contemporaneously[/quote]

My assertion is not without evidence, but is made on the basis of the most relevant evidence.

That is, how Jesus used the word "generation", and what kind of Greek usage that illustrates or matches.[/quote]

RESPONSE: On the contrary. Here is another quotation from Jesus showing that he was speaking about his own generation:


"When they persecute you in one town, flee to the next, for truly, I say to you, you will not have gone through all the towns of Israel before the Son of Man comes.

[Checkpoint]

[quote="[url=http://debatingchristianity.com/forum/viewtopic.php?

A generation not defined by its physical parentage but by its spiritual parentage.

RESPONSE: Isn't that an assertion without evidence?

MW dictionary -a group of individuals born and living contemporaneously

My assertion is not without evidence, but is made on the basis of the most relevant evidence.

That is, how Jesus used the word "generation", and what kind of Greek usage that illustrates or matches.[/quote]

RESPONSE: On the contrary. Here is another quotation from Jesus showing that he was speaking about his own generation:

"When they persecute you in one town, flee to the next, for truly, I say to you, you will not have gone through all the towns of Israel before the Son of Man comes.

Your quote is neither relevant nor evidence.

It is not about those of "this generation" and does not include the word "generation".

[polonius]

[quote="[url=http://debatingchristianity.com/forum/viewtopic.php?

A generation not defined by its physical parentage but by its spiritual parentage.

RESPONSE: Isn't that an assertion without evidence?

MW dictionary -a group of individuals born and living contemporaneously

My assertion is not without evidence, but is made on the basis of the most relevant evidence.

That is, how Jesus used the word "generation", and what kind of Greek usage that illustrates or matches.

RESPONSE: On the contrary. Here is another quotation from Jesus showing that he was speaking about his own generation:

"When they persecute you in one town, flee to the next, for truly, I say to you, you will not have gone through all the towns of Israel before the Son of Man comes.

Your quote is neither relevant nor evidence.

It is not about those of "this generation" and does not include the word "generation".

Response: Oh come now. What does the word "you"mean?

(It's always interesting to watch the erroneous interpretations of fundamentalists against all common sense and reason).

How about this?

Paul, Thessolonians 1, The Coming of the Lord

13 But we do not want you to be uninformed, brothers and sisters,[a] about those who have died, so that you may not grieve as others do who have no hope. 14 For since we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so, through Jesus, God will bring with him those who have died.[c] 15 For this we declare to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive, who are left until the coming of the Lord, will by no means precede those who have died.[d] 16 For the Lord himself, with a cry of command, with the archangels call and with the sound of Gods trumpet, will descend from heaven, and the dead in Christ will rise first. 17 Then we who are alive, who are left, will be caught up in the clouds together with them to meet the Lord in the air; and so we will be with the Lord forever. 18 Therefore encourage one another with these words

[Checkpoint]

[quote="[url=http://debatingchristianity.com/forum/viewtopic.php?

A generation not defined by its physical parentage but by its spiritual parentage.

RESPONSE: Isn't that an assertion without evidence?

MW dictionary -a group of individuals born and living contemporaneously

My assertion is not without evidence, but is made on the basis of the most relevant evidence.

That is, how Jesus used the word "generation", and what kind of Greek usage that illustrates or matches.

RESPONSE: On the contrary. Here is another quotation from Jesus showing that he was speaking about his own generation:

"When they persecute you in one town, flee to the next, for truly, I say to you, you will not have gone through all the towns of Israel before the Son of Man comes.

Your quote is neither relevant nor evidence.

It is not about those of "this generation" and does not include the word "generation".

Response: Oh come now. What does the word "you"mean?

The word "you" in that passage means his disciples, who you think were part of the "this generation" Jesus spoke of.

He clearly excludes the disciples in his Matthew 23 description of who were then "this generation", and what it was that made them "this generation".

[polonius]

Checkpoint argues:

A generation not defined by its physical parentage but by its spiritual parentage.

RESPONSE: No. Consult a reliable dictionary for the meaning of generation.

Merriam-Webster dictionary -a group of individuals born and living contemporaneously.

My assertion is not without evidence, but is made on the basis of the most relevant evidence.

That is, how Jesus used the word "generation", and what kind of Greek usage that illustrates or matches.

RESPONSE: Perhaps you will then tell us what "evidence" precisely (book, chapter, and verses)you are citing?

When Jesus says "this generation" he refers to his own generation as we would refer to our generation if we use the same phrase.

Here is another quotation from Jesus showing that he was speaking about his own generation:

"When they persecute you in one town, flee to the next, for truly, I say to you, you will not have gone through all the towns of Israel before the Son of Man comes.

Referring to someone as "you" obviously evidences that they are in the same generation you are addressing not some other generation.

Your quote is neither relevant nor evidence.

It is not about those of "this generation" and does not include the word "generation".

RESPONSE: Oh come now. What does the word "you"mean?

The word "you" in that passage means his disciples, who were part of the "this generation" Jesus spoke of.

He clearly excludes the disciples in his Matthew 23 description of who were then "this generation", and what it was that made them "this generation".

RESPONSE: Really? Perhaps you will you cite the precise passage in Matthew 23 which you say excludes the generation Jesus is addressing.

Most of us go by the plain meaning of words. Some fundamentalists try to argue around these.

See also: 1 Thessalonians 4:15-17 (NRSV)

15 For this we declare to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive, who are left until the coming of the Lord, will by no means precede those who have died.[j] 16 For the Lord himself, with a cry of command, with the archangels call and with the sound of Gods trumpet, will descend from heaven, and the dead in Christ will rise first. 17 Then we who are alive, who are left, will be caught up in the clouds together with them to meet the Lord in the air; and so we will be with the Lord forever.

[polonius]

Checkpoint claimed:

He clearly excludes the disciples in his Matthew 23 description of who were then "this generation", and what it was that made them "this generation".

Really? Where does Jesus say that? Where does it use the word generation at all in Matt 23??

Chapter and verse please.

[myth-one.com]

Verse 34 has been the subject of many a debate. My questions are as follows:

What did Jesus mean when he said "this generation will certainly not pass away until all these things have happened?" Who is "this generation"?

Only God the Father knows the exact date of the Second Coming:

But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father. (Mark 13:32)

Although only the Father knows the actual date, numerous signs will appear which indicate that the end is near. These include wars, rumors of wars, appearance of the the antichrist, the gospel being preached unto all nations, etc. Many of these "signs of the end of times" are stated in Matthew 24 in the verses prior to verse 34.

When these signs appear, some of the generation alive at that time will live to actually witness the Second Coming of Christ:

So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors. Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled. (Matthew 24:33-34)

[Checkpoint]

[Replying to post 193 by Checkpoint]

The word "you" in that passage means his disciples, who were part of the "this generation" Jesus spoke of.

That is how you quoted what I wrote.

Which was:

The word "you" in that passage means his disciples, who you think were part of the "this generation" Jesus spoke of.

I was not born yesterday.