Are there any new arguments for God?

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Are there any new arguments for God?

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It seems all the arguments for God have been offered and answered. There are also arguments against God, which Theists have tried to answer. The atheists are clearly winning in the area of logic, reason and rationality.

I haven't seen a new argument for God in years and would love for someone to offer one.
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Re: Are there any new arguments for God?

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Play_Dough wrote: Well first 'put away' all cultural definitions of 'God' and start from a 'clean slate'.

O.K. - now infuse a definition of 'God'.

Definition:
'God' is consciousness 'dumbed down' to experience (temporarily) alternative existences.
Presently it is 'God' who is looking out of our eyes and experiencing individual 'mindsets' and experiences.

If we deny that we are, really, 'God' then we misuse our divine power to temporarily extinguish ourselves. In other words, our denial of our divinity makes it so, because of our 'God powers'.

("Temporary" = eternity minus some duration)

So... the 'new' argument for God is that cultural definitions (Western, in this instance) of 'God' are pathetic (of 'pathos') and that 'God' is really consciousness navigating through eternity for the experience and wonder and potential fun.

Forget the omniscience, forget the 'All Powerful', forget the 'white guy in the clouds', etc., etc., and experience 'God' as an eternally playful child who is capable of temporarily getting him/her self into a jam... just like any other kid.

Now... we simply have to figure out how to "work it" instead of trying to figure out "how it works". ... just like a growing child.

So... we are God and if we refuse to believe it we are
mis-using (to our detriment) divine power to temporarily self-destruct. Unless, perhaps we wish to experience the utter ridicfulousness of being a human biological form... up to its last breath.

It seems that 'human being' is the box that we need to think 'outside of'..... unless we are enjoying our stay on 'death row'.

The Christian cosmology vaguely alludes to this analysis.... 'consciousness' temporarily 'trapped' in 'matter' ('cross' as an ancient symbol of 'matter') because we pay more attention (thus reinforcing the illusion) to 'container' (body) that to 'spirit' (indwelling consciousness').... the result is known as 'the all too human conundrum'.

New God philosophy - We are it!
To deny it is to make it untrue.
Catch 22 !!!

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This is argument by redefinition. Your idea of God is just a vague, unsupported notion that we should, for some unclear reason, pretend that all conscious things are magically linked. Jung is dead, move on.

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#1 Argument for God?

Anyone who disagrees is a fool.

End of argument, you lose, don't even try to rebut it.
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joeyknuccione wrote:#1 Argument for God?

Anyone who disagrees is a fool.

End of argument, you lose, don't even try to rebut it.
Anyone who disagrees is a fool, is immoral, suppresses the truth in unrighteousness, given over to degrading passions, unnatural, indecent, depraved, wicked, greedy, evil, envious, murderous, full of strife, deceitful, malicious, gossip, slandererous, insolent, arrogant, boastful, inventors of evil, disobedient to parents, without understanding, untrustworthy, unloving and unmerciful.
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McCulloch wrote:
joeyknuccione wrote:#1 Argument for God?

Anyone who disagrees is a fool.

End of argument, you lose, don't even try to rebut it.
Anyone who disagrees is a fool, is immoral, suppresses the truth in unrighteousness, given over to degrading passions, unnatural, indecent, depraved, wicked, greedy, evil, envious, murderous, full of strife, deceitful, malicious, gossip, slandererous, insolent, arrogant, boastful, inventors of evil, disobedient to parents, without understanding, untrustworthy, unloving and unmerciful.
I think the real question ought to be whether there are any arguments for God that are not completely and totally refuted yet.

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Again and again I keep seeing the old, tired arguments coming up and it appears not ONE Theist is well versed in the counter argument.

Do people just regurgitate from Apologetics University?

Here, I will give every Xian a chance to increase their Faith 100 fold:

http://www.infidels.org/library/modern/ ... ments.html

Once they read through these and understand them, their Faith will have to increase.

You can thank me later.
Imagine the people who believe ... and not ashamed to ignore, totally, all the patient findings of thinking minds through all the centuries since the Bible.... It is these ignorant people�who would force their feeble and childish beliefs on us...I.Asimov

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