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Is homosexuality worse than heterosexual infidelity?

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I don't normally copy and paste an article but this is great stuff. At the end I have a question.
The morning after Chick-fil-A day
AUGUST 2, 2012 BY MIKE PATZ 1 COMMENT

Its the morning after the Chick-fil-A drama and Im still chewing.

I remember the day I was sitting next to an incredibly nice gay guy, enjoying a really good conversation when he dropped the ultimate conversation-killer.

What do you do for a living?

I hate that question. I hate that question because people cant help but size you up when they hear the answer. I hate that question because were already prone to think of ourselves as human doings instead of human beings. I hate that question because of what it does to people when they find out what I do.

Ive often tried to find ways around the question. Ive told people I work with non-profit organizations (this is true). Ive told people that I write (this is true). Ive even told people that I am a spiritual guru that assists people in opening their third eye (I really like this one). For whatever reason, on that day, I just cut to the chase. I work as a pastor of a church.

Everything changed. His next words went something like this:

Listen, Im gay and Im content with who I am. Im sure you are going to say that I was not born this way, and I wont argue the point. For a significant part of my childhood I was violated by a neighbor and then an uncle. Did that play a role in my sexual orientation? Possibly. I also know many people that had a trouble-free childhood and they turned out very happily gay. Regardless of how it occurred, this is who I am now and I make no apologies for the man I have become. If God has a problem with a man who tries to be true to himself, then I have a problem with a God that allows these kinds of things to happen to kids like me in the first place.

I kept thinking how much easier it would have been if I said I was a writer.


Fortunately, Jesus has a way of showing up in the middle of conversations just like these, and on that day He did not disappoint. My friend shared his heart, and I shared mine. Ive never seen people change via argument, which is why I prefer to help people taste and see that the Lord is good.

This is where Christians tend to blow it.

They taste really bad. They serve up some really Biblical truth in some really nauseating ways. They major on minors and minor on majors. They tend to be extremely unaware of their pride, and pride is like bad breath " everybody knows you have it, except for you. Its always easy to scream the loudest about sins you do not personally struggle with.

So why are we yelling?

Im still not sure why Christians are so militant in their opposition of homosexual immorality while they seem to go so mild with their opposition of heterosexual immorality. I hear the concern about homosexuality and the catch phrase is often family values: Imagine how much it will mess up a child who is being raised by two women, the reasoning goes. A kid needs both a father and a mother, we say. Yet the gays I speak with often wonder how the church can talk about family values when 50-60% of Christian couples divorce. Talk about family values. So a community of people that do not stay married is trying to talk to us about marital morality. How ironic.

In light of the fact that Christians have just as much pre-marital sex and watch just as much porn and divorce just as frequently why arent we more embarrassed to speak out on the issue of homosexual sin? Good question.

One guy said, Its funny how you can claim the grace of God to cover heterosexual sin while saying that homosexual sin is beyond the reach of Gods grace.

That brings me to all the Chick"fil-A drama.

I get why Chick-fil-A day looked so annoying to so many people yesterday. I understand why people have planned a kiss-in this Friday. And I can see why people shake their heads when they read yet another homophobic Facebook post.

Church people ask, why wont our culture repent? My answer: because repentance is a learned behavior. Someone has to model it. I tell parents that its silly to expect a child to repent when they have never seen a parent repent. And its futile to wait for a culture to repent when a culture has never seen the Church repent.

Is the real problem with our culture the unrepentant gay community? No. Its an unrepentant Church.

I am so sorry today for all the hatred that Christians have dished out toward gays. I am so sorry for all of the homophobic sarcasm that has come from the pulpits of Christian ministers. I am so sorry for the way we pick and choose which sins to condemn. I am so sorry that we have claimed to follow Jesus while we neglected widows and orphans, and then engaged in gossip and gluttony. I am so sorry that we have provided such a bad example for the rest of society to follow. Im embarrassed, Im ashamed, and I repent. Im serious. I repent.

Yet Im also concerned that when our culture most needs to hear truth, Christians dont know how to tell it.

Weve come to a dangerous moment in culture, and Christians are ill-equipped to handle it. We have reached the point where disagreement is now seen as hatred. I read an article today where a woman was appealing to Christians to recognize their hateful crimes against the homosexual community. I nodded in agreement, but decided to keep reading to see how she itemized these crimes. Paragraph after paragraph described the hurt and rejection resulting from these offenses, but it took a while to get to the actual crime: Christians claim that homosexuality is a sin. I was stunned. Disagreement was equated with hate.

Christians have a substantial challenge on their hands because every generation and every culture is going to disagree with Gods truth at some point. How interesting that our USAmerican culture considers Christianity to be closed-minded on the issue of sexual morality, while the majority of world religions are in agreement in opposition to the USA position on sexuality. Is USA culture not closed-minded for claiming that all these other religions are wrong? Is it not hypocrisy to say that we will be tolerant with everybody " except the people we consider intolerant. Closed-mindedness is not just a religious thing, its a human thing.

If ever Christians needed some good breath, it is now.

Because we have to kiss this world with the truth of God.

The problem is, no matter how good your kiss, your breath can ruin the whole experience. And no matter how much truth we bring, if it does not drip with grace and humility, it always falls flat.

Im not asking Christians to stop telling the truth, Im asking them to brush their teeth.

What does that look like? The apostle Paul said to speak evil of no one, to avoid quarreling, to be gentle, and to show perfect courtesy towards all people. (Titus 3:2)

Can you imagine what would happen if an entire chunk of Christians decided to embrace the Titus 3:2 approach? Will people be staging protests and kiss-ins to protest Chick-fil-A? Maybe. But the way of Jesus is to speak evil of no one. Has Chick-fil-A been bullied? Yes. But the kingdom of Jesus response is to avoid quarreling. Is there more drama to come as our culture becomes increasingly polarized? Of course. But if God is our Father, then we have to start showing the family resemblance, being gentle and showing perfect courtesy. This should have an effect on the way we post our thoughts on Facebook. Or talk to angry people at work. Or wait in line at Chick-fil-A.

You see, we cant shrink back on truth-telling or we dishonor the very Gospel. But when we bring the truth of Jesus we have to do it in the Spirit of Jesus.

Or stop being surprised when our culture doesnt want a kiss.
Is homosexuality worse than heterosexual infidelity? If not, why do Christians hate gay people so much? If the two are equally bad, why do so many Christians who would never be gay cheat on their wife?
Matthew 16:26
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26 For what profit is it to a man if he gains the whole world, and loses his own soul? Or what will a man give in exchange for his soul?

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McCulloch wrote: I believe that the relevant issue here is repentance. To a Christian, an unrepentant heterosexual infidelist is as bad as an unrepentant homosexual. And a repentant heterosexual infidelist is as forgiven and accepted as a repentant homosexual. However, there are not very many unrepentant heterosexual infidelists trying to infiltrate the church and change the churches' doctrine about sexual fidelity.
Cain, is the type of false Christianity (actually started by Adam and Eve with their fig leaves) offering the first fruits of the (bloodless) harvest, that is, 'good works' and forerunner of the paganism of the Ba'als and Ashtora, which led to the excess of adding blood in the manner of living child sacrifices when they saw how powerful YHWH was against them.

Cain must not be killed.

Cain is a tare but tare also includes all non-elect reprobate outside the church. As a tare, Cain is sown into the world to join the church and subvert it because as long as the sinful church stays addicted to sin, the sinful church must live with the tares, that is, the judgment is postponed.

Attacks on the true Church and right doctrine are inevitable, sigh.

Peace, Ted
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PCE Theology as I see it...

We had an existence with a free will in Sheol before the creation of the physical universe. Here we chose to be able to become holy or to be eternally evil in YHWH's sight. Then the physical universe was created and all sinners were sent to earth.

This theology debunks the need to base Christianity upon the blasphemy of creating us in Adam's sin.

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no evidence no belief wrote:
noshameinChrist wrote: [Replying to post 1 by Moses Yoder]

I haven't read all the posts, so maybe this question has already been responded to as I will do now...

First, as a Christian, I don't "hate" those who engage in homosexual sex. However, I believe homosexual sex is a sin just as there are sexual sins that involve heterosexuals (e.g. adultery; fornication). Thus, as a Christian I will neither back down from proclaiming homosexual sex is a sin, and therefore wrong, nor will I back down from proclaiming that adultery and/or fornication is a sin. They are all sexual sins and against God.

From my experiences, the "hate" comes mostly from supporters of homosexual sex against those, under the banner of Christianity, who will not condone homosexual sex. Again, this is based on my experiences.
The Bible does say that homosexuality is a sin.

It also says that it's wrong for a woman to teach or hold a position of authority.

It also says that women shouldn't be allowed to speak in church.

It also says that women are the property of men.

It also says that it's an abomination to have gay sex AND to eat shrimp.

It also says that slavery is ok.

It also says that rape victims should be forced to marry their rapists.

It also says that slavery is ok.

It also says that genocide is ok.

It also says you should kill your children if they misbehave.


So, it's great that you think the Bible is the inspired word of God, and that if it says homosexuality is a sin, then you obey God's word.

My question is this, why do you hate God, and disobey his Holy Word when it comes to the commandment to forbid women from being teachers?

He died on the cross for you. He faced the torment of torture and crucifixion for you. Why would you spit on the holy cross and eat shrimp?

I was actually just attempting to respond to the original post. I did not say that I "hate God" or anyone else. I love God, and yes I want to demonstrate that by living the way He would have me to live. In simple terms this means striving to do things He asked me to do, and avoiding things He directs me to avoid.

Yes, I do believe scripture is inspired by God (2 Tim 3:16ff). Again, I am a Christian. There is no other basis for me being a Christian, except scripture. Without it I would likely know nothing about Christ.

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noshameinChrist wrote:
no evidence no belief wrote:
noshameinChrist wrote: [Replying to post 1 by Moses Yoder]

I haven't read all the posts, so maybe this question has already been responded to as I will do now...

First, as a Christian, I don't "hate" those who engage in homosexual sex. However, I believe homosexual sex is a sin just as there are sexual sins that involve heterosexuals (e.g. adultery; fornication). Thus, as a Christian I will neither back down from proclaiming homosexual sex is a sin, and therefore wrong, nor will I back down from proclaiming that adultery and/or fornication is a sin. They are all sexual sins and against God.

From my experiences, the "hate" comes mostly from supporters of homosexual sex against those, under the banner of Christianity, who will not condone homosexual sex. Again, this is based on my experiences.
The Bible does say that homosexuality is a sin.

It also says that it's wrong for a woman to teach or hold a position of authority.

It also says that women shouldn't be allowed to speak in church.

It also says that women are the property of men.

It also says that it's an abomination to have gay sex AND to eat shrimp.

It also says that slavery is ok.

It also says that rape victims should be forced to marry their rapists.

It also says that slavery is ok.

It also says that genocide is ok.

It also says you should kill your children if they misbehave.


So, it's great that you think the Bible is the inspired word of God, and that if it says homosexuality is a sin, then you obey God's word.

My question is this, why do you hate God, and disobey his Holy Word when it comes to the commandment to forbid women from being teachers?

He died on the cross for you. He faced the torment of torture and crucifixion for you. Why would you spit on the holy cross and eat shrimp?

I was actually just attempting to respond to the original post. I did not say that I "hate God" or anyone else. I love God, and yes I want to demonstrate that by living the way He would have me to live. In simple terms this means striving to do things He asked me to do, and avoiding things He directs me to avoid.
Perfect, so you avoid homosexuality, eating shrimp and wearing shirts made of two different fabrics, right? You obey his commandments to kill your own children if they misbehave, right? You obey his commandment to prevent women from talking in church, right?

Because if you say you strive to obey the inerrant word of God (the Bible), then you must do these things, right?

You HAVE read the Bible, haven't you?

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no evidence no belief wrote:
noshameinChrist wrote:
no evidence no belief wrote:
noshameinChrist wrote: [Replying to post 1 by Moses Yoder]

I haven't read all the posts, so maybe this question has already been responded to as I will do now...

First, as a Christian, I don't "hate" those who engage in homosexual sex. However, I believe homosexual sex is a sin just as there are sexual sins that involve heterosexuals (e.g. adultery; fornication). Thus, as a Christian I will neither back down from proclaiming homosexual sex is a sin, and therefore wrong, nor will I back down from proclaiming that adultery and/or fornication is a sin. They are all sexual sins and against God.

From my experiences, the "hate" comes mostly from supporters of homosexual sex against those, under the banner of Christianity, who will not condone homosexual sex. Again, this is based on my experiences.
The Bible does say that homosexuality is a sin.

It also says that it's wrong for a woman to teach or hold a position of authority.

It also says that women shouldn't be allowed to speak in church.

It also says that women are the property of men.

It also says that it's an abomination to have gay sex AND to eat shrimp.

It also says that slavery is ok.

It also says that rape victims should be forced to marry their rapists.

It also says that slavery is ok.

It also says that genocide is ok.

It also says you should kill your children if they misbehave.


So, it's great that you think the Bible is the inspired word of God, and that if it says homosexuality is a sin, then you obey God's word.

My question is this, why do you hate God, and disobey his Holy Word when it comes to the commandment to forbid women from being teachers?

He died on the cross for you. He faced the torment of torture and crucifixion for you. Why would you spit on the holy cross and eat shrimp?

I was actually just attempting to respond to the original post. I did not say that I "hate God" or anyone else. I love God, and yes I want to demonstrate that by living the way He would have me to live. In simple terms this means striving to do things He asked me to do, and avoiding things He directs me to avoid.
Perfect, so you avoid homosexuality, eating shrimp and wearing shirts made of two different fabrics, right? You obey his commandments to kill your own children if they misbehave, right? You obey his commandment to prevent women from talking in church, right?

Because if you say you strive to obey the inerrant word of God (the Bible), then you must do these things, right?

You HAVE read the Bible, haven't you?
To answer your questions, I have no desire to engage in homosexual sex. Now, I am married, but I do still find myself attracted to women. As a Christian, I avoid putting myself in a position where I might engage in an adulterous relationship. Why? Because no matter how I might "feel" about another women, to do so would be sinful and wrong.

Yes, I have read the Bible. As a Christian it is OK for me to eat whatever food I want (1 Tim 4:4). I have read scripture, and I understand the different between the 'Old' testament and the 'New' testament. I think this is where you err my friend.

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noshameinChrist wrote:
no evidence no belief wrote:
noshameinChrist wrote:
no evidence no belief wrote:
noshameinChrist wrote: [Replying to post 1 by Moses Yoder]

I haven't read all the posts, so maybe this question has already been responded to as I will do now...

First, as a Christian, I don't "hate" those who engage in homosexual sex. However, I believe homosexual sex is a sin just as there are sexual sins that involve heterosexuals (e.g. adultery; fornication). Thus, as a Christian I will neither back down from proclaiming homosexual sex is a sin, and therefore wrong, nor will I back down from proclaiming that adultery and/or fornication is a sin. They are all sexual sins and against God.

From my experiences, the "hate" comes mostly from supporters of homosexual sex against those, under the banner of Christianity, who will not condone homosexual sex. Again, this is based on my experiences.
The Bible does say that homosexuality is a sin.

It also says that it's wrong for a woman to teach or hold a position of authority.

It also says that women shouldn't be allowed to speak in church.

It also says that women are the property of men.

It also says that it's an abomination to have gay sex AND to eat shrimp.

It also says that slavery is ok.

It also says that rape victims should be forced to marry their rapists.

It also says that slavery is ok.

It also says that genocide is ok.

It also says you should kill your children if they misbehave.


So, it's great that you think the Bible is the inspired word of God, and that if it says homosexuality is a sin, then you obey God's word.

My question is this, why do you hate God, and disobey his Holy Word when it comes to the commandment to forbid women from being teachers?

He died on the cross for you. He faced the torment of torture and crucifixion for you. Why would you spit on the holy cross and eat shrimp?

I was actually just attempting to respond to the original post. I did not say that I "hate God" or anyone else. I love God, and yes I want to demonstrate that by living the way He would have me to live. In simple terms this means striving to do things He asked me to do, and avoiding things He directs me to avoid.
Perfect, so you avoid homosexuality, eating shrimp and wearing shirts made of two different fabrics, right? You obey his commandments to kill your own children if they misbehave, right? You obey his commandment to prevent women from talking in church, right?

Because if you say you strive to obey the inerrant word of God (the Bible), then you must do these things, right?

You HAVE read the Bible, haven't you?
To answer your questions, I have no desire to engage in homosexual sex. Now, I am married, but I do still find myself attracted to women. As a Christian, I avoid putting myself in a position where I might engage in an adulterous relationship. Why? Because no matter how I might "feel" about another women, to do so would be sinful and wrong.

Yes, I have read the Bible. As a Christian it is OK for me to eat whatever food I want (1 Tim 4:4). I have read scripture, and I understand the different between the 'Old' testament and the 'New' testament. I think this is where you err my friend.
Where does the NT mention homosexuality?

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Allahakbar wrote:
noshameinChrist wrote:
no evidence no belief wrote:
noshameinChrist wrote:
no evidence no belief wrote:
noshameinChrist wrote: [Replying to post 1 by Moses Yoder]

I haven't read all the posts, so maybe this question has already been responded to as I will do now...

First, as a Christian, I don't "hate" those who engage in homosexual sex. However, I believe homosexual sex is a sin just as there are sexual sins that involve heterosexuals (e.g. adultery; fornication). Thus, as a Christian I will neither back down from proclaiming homosexual sex is a sin, and therefore wrong, nor will I back down from proclaiming that adultery and/or fornication is a sin. They are all sexual sins and against God.

From my experiences, the "hate" comes mostly from supporters of homosexual sex against those, under the banner of Christianity, who will not condone homosexual sex. Again, this is based on my experiences.
The Bible does say that homosexuality is a sin.

It also says that it's wrong for a woman to teach or hold a position of authority.

It also says that women shouldn't be allowed to speak in church.

It also says that women are the property of men.

It also says that it's an abomination to have gay sex AND to eat shrimp.

It also says that slavery is ok.

It also says that rape victims should be forced to marry their rapists.

It also says that slavery is ok.

It also says that genocide is ok.

It also says you should kill your children if they misbehave.


So, it's great that you think the Bible is the inspired word of God, and that if it says homosexuality is a sin, then you obey God's word.

My question is this, why do you hate God, and disobey his Holy Word when it comes to the commandment to forbid women from being teachers?

He died on the cross for you. He faced the torment of torture and crucifixion for you. Why would you spit on the holy cross and eat shrimp?

I was actually just attempting to respond to the original post. I did not say that I "hate God" or anyone else. I love God, and yes I want to demonstrate that by living the way He would have me to live. In simple terms this means striving to do things He asked me to do, and avoiding things He directs me to avoid.
Perfect, so you avoid homosexuality, eating shrimp and wearing shirts made of two different fabrics, right? You obey his commandments to kill your own children if they misbehave, right? You obey his commandment to prevent women from talking in church, right?

Because if you say you strive to obey the inerrant word of God (the Bible), then you must do these things, right?

You HAVE read the Bible, haven't you?
To answer your questions, I have no desire to engage in homosexual sex. Now, I am married, but I do still find myself attracted to women. As a Christian, I avoid putting myself in a position where I might engage in an adulterous relationship. Why? Because no matter how I might "feel" about another women, to do so would be sinful and wrong.

Yes, I have read the Bible. As a Christian it is OK for me to eat whatever food I want (1 Tim 4:4). I have read scripture, and I understand the different between the 'Old' testament and the 'New' testament. I think this is where you err my friend.
Where does the NT mention homosexuality?
Though some dispute it, I believe Romans 1:27 "mentions" homosexual sex. In addition, the only sexual relationships condoned in the NT are those between the opposite sex.

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noshameinChrist wrote:
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Again, I am a Christian. There is no other basis for me being a Christian, except scripture. Without it I would likely know nothing about Christ.
If a sheep cannot hear his masters voice, something is wrong. Perhaps some prayer in this area is necessary, with appropriate asking for protection from demons of course.

Peace, Ted
PCE Theology as I see it...

We had an existence with a free will in Sheol before the creation of the physical universe. Here we chose to be able to become holy or to be eternally evil in YHWH's sight. Then the physical universe was created and all sinners were sent to earth.

This theology debunks the need to base Christianity upon the blasphemy of creating us in Adam's sin.

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ttruscott wrote:
noshameinChrist wrote:
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Again, I am a Christian. There is no other basis for me being a Christian, except scripture. Without it I would likely know nothing about Christ.
If a sheep cannot hear his masters voice, something is wrong. Perhaps some prayer in this area is necessary, with appropriate asking for protection from demons of course.

Peace, Ted
Indeed. In John 17:19-21. His sheep will hear His voice.

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noshameinChrist wrote:
no evidence no belief wrote:
noshameinChrist wrote:
no evidence no belief wrote:
noshameinChrist wrote: [Replying to post 1 by Moses Yoder]

I haven't read all the posts, so maybe this question has already been responded to as I will do now...

First, as a Christian, I don't "hate" those who engage in homosexual sex. However, I believe homosexual sex is a sin just as there are sexual sins that involve heterosexuals (e.g. adultery; fornication). Thus, as a Christian I will neither back down from proclaiming homosexual sex is a sin, and therefore wrong, nor will I back down from proclaiming that adultery and/or fornication is a sin. They are all sexual sins and against God.

From my experiences, the "hate" comes mostly from supporters of homosexual sex against those, under the banner of Christianity, who will not condone homosexual sex. Again, this is based on my experiences.
The Bible does say that homosexuality is a sin.

It also says that it's wrong for a woman to teach or hold a position of authority.

It also says that women shouldn't be allowed to speak in church.

It also says that women are the property of men.

It also says that it's an abomination to have gay sex AND to eat shrimp.

It also says that slavery is ok.

It also says that rape victims should be forced to marry their rapists.

It also says that slavery is ok.

It also says that genocide is ok.

It also says you should kill your children if they misbehave.


So, it's great that you think the Bible is the inspired word of God, and that if it says homosexuality is a sin, then you obey God's word.

My question is this, why do you hate God, and disobey his Holy Word when it comes to the commandment to forbid women from being teachers?

He died on the cross for you. He faced the torment of torture and crucifixion for you. Why would you spit on the holy cross and eat shrimp?

I was actually just attempting to respond to the original post. I did not say that I "hate God" or anyone else. I love God, and yes I want to demonstrate that by living the way He would have me to live. In simple terms this means striving to do things He asked me to do, and avoiding things He directs me to avoid.
Perfect, so you avoid homosexuality, eating shrimp and wearing shirts made of two different fabrics, right? You obey his commandments to kill your own children if they misbehave, right? You obey his commandment to prevent women from talking in church, right?

Because if you say you strive to obey the inerrant word of God (the Bible), then you must do these things, right?

You HAVE read the Bible, haven't you?
To answer your questions, I have no desire to engage in homosexual sex. Now, I am married, but I do still find myself attracted to women. As a Christian, I avoid putting myself in a position where I might engage in an adulterous relationship. Why? Because no matter how I might "feel" about another women, to do so would be sinful and wrong.

Yes, I have read the Bible. As a Christian it is OK for me to eat whatever food I want (1 Tim 4:4). I have read scripture, and I understand the different between the 'Old' testament and the 'New' testament. I think this is where you err my friend.
The New Testament says that women are not allowed to speak in church. Is this the inerrant word of God?

In the New Testament it says that not one tittle of the law shall change until everything that must happen has happened. Was Jesus lying when he said that?

What percentage of the Commandments of the Old Testament should we follow? 0%? 100%? 50%?

Is the Bible 0% inerrant? 100% inerrant? 50% inerrant?

Also, the Bible says that it's not what goes into a man's mouth that is unclean, but what comes out. By that logic, it's not unclean to put a penis in your mouth, as long as you swallow instead of spitting, right? Think about it.

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no evidence no belief wrote:
noshameinChrist wrote:
no evidence no belief wrote:
noshameinChrist wrote:
no evidence no belief wrote:
noshameinChrist wrote: [Replying to post 1 by Moses Yoder]

I haven't read all the posts, so maybe this question has already been responded to as I will do now...

First, as a Christian, I don't "hate" those who engage in homosexual sex. However, I believe homosexual sex is a sin just as there are sexual sins that involve heterosexuals (e.g. adultery; fornication). Thus, as a Christian I will neither back down from proclaiming homosexual sex is a sin, and therefore wrong, nor will I back down from proclaiming that adultery and/or fornication is a sin. They are all sexual sins and against God.

From my experiences, the "hate" comes mostly from supporters of homosexual sex against those, under the banner of Christianity, who will not condone homosexual sex. Again, this is based on my experiences.
The Bible does say that homosexuality is a sin.

It also says that it's wrong for a woman to teach or hold a position of authority.

It also says that women shouldn't be allowed to speak in church.

It also says that women are the property of men.

It also says that it's an abomination to have gay sex AND to eat shrimp.

It also says that slavery is ok.

It also says that rape victims should be forced to marry their rapists.

It also says that slavery is ok.

It also says that genocide is ok.

It also says you should kill your children if they misbehave.


So, it's great that you think the Bible is the inspired word of God, and that if it says homosexuality is a sin, then you obey God's word.

My question is this, why do you hate God, and disobey his Holy Word when it comes to the commandment to forbid women from being teachers?

He died on the cross for you. He faced the torment of torture and crucifixion for you. Why would you spit on the holy cross and eat shrimp?

I was actually just attempting to respond to the original post. I did not say that I "hate God" or anyone else. I love God, and yes I want to demonstrate that by living the way He would have me to live. In simple terms this means striving to do things He asked me to do, and avoiding things He directs me to avoid.
Perfect, so you avoid homosexuality, eating shrimp and wearing shirts made of two different fabrics, right? You obey his commandments to kill your own children if they misbehave, right? You obey his commandment to prevent women from talking in church, right?

Because if you say you strive to obey the inerrant word of God (the Bible), then you must do these things, right?

You HAVE read the Bible, haven't you?
To answer your questions, I have no desire to engage in homosexual sex. Now, I am married, but I do still find myself attracted to women. As a Christian, I avoid putting myself in a position where I might engage in an adulterous relationship. Why? Because no matter how I might "feel" about another women, to do so would be sinful and wrong.

Yes, I have read the Bible. As a Christian it is OK for me to eat whatever food I want (1 Tim 4:4). I have read scripture, and I understand the different between the 'Old' testament and the 'New' testament. I think this is where you err my friend.
The New Testament says that women are not allowed to speak in church. Is this the inerrant word of God?

In the New Testament it says that not one tittle of the law shall change until everything that must happen has happened. Was Jesus lying when he said that?

What percentage of the Commandments of the Old Testament should we follow? 0%? 100%? 50%?

Is the Bible 0% inerrant? 100% inerrant? 50% inerrant?

Also, the Bible says that it's not what goes into a man's mouth that is unclean, but what comes out. By that logic, it's not unclean to put a penis in your mouth, as long as you swallow instead of spitting, right? Think about it.

Your last question demonstrates clearly that you are being extraordinarily silly. Grow up.

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