Does God change his mind?

OnceConvinced · Post by **OnceConvinced** » Mon Feb 13, 2017 4:52 pm

A Christian member of our forum recently pointed out a bible contradiction for all to see:

This verse was presented first:
Numbers 23:19 "God is not human, that he should lie, not a human being, that he should change his mind."

The Christian then attempted to trump it with a contradictory scripture where God DOES change his mind, thus exposing a blatant bible contradiction:

Jeremiah 18:8 "But if that nation about which I spoke turns from its evil way, I'll change my mind about the disaster that I had planned for it."

Here are further verses that show God changing his mind:

Exodus 32:14
So the LORD changed His mind about the harm which He said He would do to His people.

Amos 7:3
The LORD changed His mind about this. "It shall not be," said the LORD.

Jeremiah 18:10
if it does evil in My sight by not obeying My voice, then I will think better of the good with which I had promised to bless it. (wow this is a verse where God says he will break his promise!!)

So questions for debate:

Does Got change his mind?
If he does change his mind, how do we know he hasn't changed his mind about much of what he expected from us in the New Testament?
If he does change his mind, how can we really know what he wants of us today?

myth-one.com · Post by **myth-one.com** » Tue Feb 21, 2017 8:08 am

hoghead1 wrote: [Replying to myth-one.com]

Did you read my Post 13, above, where I thought I gave some very clear examples of how God changes? If there is something you are confused on there, let me know.

Yes, I did read your Post 13.

In it, you wrote:I think that God does change in key respects.

I asked you to name one of those respects.

Does He become more knowing as He gets older, gets better ideas, learn from making mistakes?

It sounds like you're applying human qualities to God.

You also wrote:God must be informed by the feelings of others.

So we can give God feedback on His creation which He saw to be very good?

Let's take a weekly favorability poll on God.

2timothy316 · Post by **2timothy316** » Tue Feb 21, 2017 9:00 am

[Replying to post 20 by Blastcat]

He doesn't make anyone decide to obey. It's the only way love is possible. Everything a human can do is available. However, if a person wants to prosper under God's care then that person will listen, obey and be blessed. But you don't have to. We do have the option to disobey and deal with whatever consequences come of those actions.

We have the ability to steal from each other but if a person wants to be blessed by God then they will not do that. Same goes for lying, cheating, murder and adultery. Do you like to do these things? Do you obey mankind's laws? If you do, do you feel that someone is forcing your decisions? Don't you have a choice to follow local, state and federal laws? Do you think it is better to disobey?

Blastcat · Post by **Blastcat** » Tue Feb 21, 2017 9:43 am

[Replying to post 22 by 2timothy316]

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2timothy316 wrote:
He doesn't make anyone decide to obey.

He decides the rules that WE HAVE TO obey or ELSE.

You can burn in hell, or obey.
Take your pick, that's up to you.

Sorry, but if I were REALLY FREE to decide, God wouldn't NEED to put a gun to my head.

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2timothy316 · Post by **2timothy316** » Tue Feb 21, 2017 10:11 am

[Replying to post 23 by Blastcat]

Well, if a person doesn't want to obey and wants to do bad things to their fellow man, then why would I want that person near me and my loved ones? I feel sorry for folks that think that way. Those that think criminal acts, harming themselves or others is the best way to express freedom. smh

Blastcat · Post by **Blastcat** » Tue Feb 21, 2017 10:16 am

[Replying to post 24 by 2timothy316]

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2timothy316 wrote:
Well, if a person doesn't want to obey and wants to do bad things to their fellow man, then why would I want that person near me and my loved ones?

Yeah, aren't bad people bad that way?
You completely miss the point.

2timothy316 wrote:
Those that think criminal acts, harming themselves or others is the best way to express freedom.

Yeah, aren't criminals criminal that way?
You completely miss the point.

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2timothy316 · Post by **2timothy316** » Tue Feb 21, 2017 10:26 am

[Replying to post 25 by Blastcat]

He decides the rules that WE HAVE TO obey or ELSE.

You can burn in hell, or obey.
Take your pick, that's up to you.

Sorry, but if I were REALLY FREE to decide, God wouldn't NEED to put a gun to my head.

Well, if there was a hidden point in the quote above then yeah I missed it.

To obey is to do good for a benefit.

"Obey, please, the voice of Jehovah in what I am telling you, and it will go well with you..." Jeremiah 38:20

When you say such things as above I naturally assume you want to disobey and you don't want things to go well.

Justin108 · Post by **Justin108** » Tue Feb 21, 2017 10:27 am

2timothy316 wrote: No. God doesn't make decisions for us.

I didn't ask if God decided for Nineveh, I asked whether God knew what Nineveh would do, that is to say did God know what Nineveh would decide later on?

Blastcat · Post by **Blastcat** » Tue Feb 21, 2017 10:36 am

[Replying to post 26 by 2timothy316]

He decides the rules that WE HAVE TO obey or ELSE.

You can burn in hell, or obey.
Take your pick, that's up to you.

Sorry, but if I were REALLY FREE to decide, God wouldn't NEED to put a gun to my head.

2timothy316 wrote:
Well, if there was a hidden point in the quote above then yeah I missed it.

Yup, you missed it.

2timothy316 · Post by **2timothy316** » Tue Feb 21, 2017 10:45 am

[Replying to post 27 by Justin108]

The answer is still no.

Have you ever thought about doing something wrong and when the time came you decided not to do it? Perhaps Jehovah might know your heart but He doesn't know what choice is going to win out until the time comes. As I said, if God knew what people were going to do/choose then there would be no need for warnings and deadlines.

2timothy316 · Post by **2timothy316** » Tue Feb 21, 2017 10:46 am

[Replying to post 28 by Blastcat]

Ok. Perhaps being a bit clearer will help.

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