When is Passover?

[showme]

When is the actual date of the Passover, and the actual date of the Feast of Unleavened Bread? (Numbers 28:16-17)

The traditions of the Jewish Pharisees, and the followers of the "Christian" Pharisee of Pharisees, are not the same as the Word of God.(Numbers 28:16-17) & (Lev 23:5-6). & John 20:31. A "high day" "Sabbath", is not the same as a Sabbath. The 14th of day of the first month was not a high holy day. It was a day when you could put people on the cross, break "their legs" and take the leaven out of the house. The 14th of Nissan, at the time of the crucifixion, was on a Wednesday, the high holy Sabbath, the Feast of the Unleavened Bread, the 15th of Nissan, was on a Thursday, and 3 days and 3 nights later, on the evening of the regular Sabbath, Mary Magdalene found the tomb empty on the dawn of the 1st day of the week, which starts at sundown of the previous day. Between the harlot Judah (Rev 17:16), and the "daughters of Babylon" (Zech 2:7), the "Christian church", the world seems to be going in circles, and truth seems to remain at bay.

King James Bible John 19:31
The Jews therefore, because it was the preparation, that the bodies should not remain upon the cross on the sabbath day, (for that sabbath day was an high day,) besought Pilate that their legs might be broken, and that they might be taken away.

Numbers 28: 16Then on the fourteenth day of the first month shall be the LORDS Passover. 17 On the fifteenth day of this month shall be a feast, unleavened bread shall be eaten for seven days. 18On the first day shall be a holy convocation; you shall do no laborious work

[Tcg]

[Replying to post 10 by JehovahsWitness]

Given that the "angel of death" has obviously been retired for thousands of years, what difference does it make? I'm sure God, given that he hasn't bothered to make the date clear, doesn't care much about what date you pick.

[showme]

[Replying to post 10 by JehovahsWitness]

Given that the "angel of death" has obviously been retired for thousands of years, what difference does it make? I'm sure God, given that he hasn't bothered to make the date clear, doesn't care much about what date you pick.

Apparently you haven't read Revelation 8:6-13.


Revelation 8:6 And the seven angels who had the seven trumpets prepared themselves to sound them.

7The first sounded, and there came hail and fire, mixed with blood, and they were thrown to the earth; and a third of the earth was burned up, and a third of the trees were burned up, and all the green grass was burned up.

8The second angel sounded, and something like a great mountain burning with fire was thrown into the sea; and a third of the sea became blood, 9and a third of the creatures which were in the sea and had life, died; and a third of the ships were destroyed.

10The third angel sounded, and a great star fell from heaven, burning like a torch, and it fell on a third of the rivers and on the springs of waters. 11The name of the star is called Wormwood; and a third of the waters became wormwood, and many men died from the waters, because they were made bitter.

12The fourth angel sounded, and a third of the sun and a third of the moon and a third of the stars were struck, so that a third of them would be darkened and the day would not shine for a third of it, and the night in the same way.

13Then I looked, and I heard an eagle flying in midheaven, saying with a loud voice, Woe, woe, woe to those who dwell on the earth, because of the remaining blasts of the trumpet of the three angels who are about to sound!

[JehovahsWitness]

When is the actual date of the Passover, and the actual date of the Feast of Unleavened Bread? (Numbers 28:16-17)

Jehovah's Witnesses commemorate the death of Our Lord Jesus on the same night as the first century Jews celebrated their Passover - this year (2018) it falls on 31st March after sundown.

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The passover is the first full moon after the Jewish New Year..

The passover would fall on Nissan 14 by the Lunar calander. This corresponds to March 31st and is the same night Jehovah's Witnesses worldwide will be commemorating the death of Jesus.

[Tcg]

[Replying to post 20 by showme]

Actually I have. Given that we are talking about the Passover, in what way do you think this addresses my post?

[showme]

[Replying to post 22 by Tcg]

Actually I have. Given that we are talking about the Passover, in what way do you think this addresses my post?

The 7 angels are all angels of death, and their time table will most probably be with respect to the night of the 15th day of the 1st month, the same time as the original angel of death. That night was the start of the sheath offering, or the first fruits of the harvest, such as the "tares", who are to be "gathered" "first" (Mt 13:30), before counting the 7 weeks until the Feast of weeks, when the good wheat will be harvested.

[bluethread]

The passover would fall on Nissan 14 by the Lunar calander. This corresponds to March 31st and is the same night Jehovah's Witnesses worldwide will be commemorating the death of Jesus.

This is not true. At least on the "invitation" I received. Pesach begins before sundown on Oct 30. The JW commemoration is after sundown on Oct. 31.

[FWI]

[Replying to post 18 by showme]

Nothing you wrote is clear. The Jewish bible reads that "the entire congregation of the community of Israel shall slaughter it in the afternoon".

The Hebrew word which could related to afternoon is Yown (Strongs 3117). This word is from an unused root meaning: to be hot. However, the bible uses this word to relate to a day (as the warm hours) or figuratively: a space of time. But, there is only one place in the bible where this Hebrew word was translated into afternoon (Judges 19:8).

Online Etymology Dictionary for afternoon
"part of the day from noon to evening," c. 1300, from after + noon. In 15c.-16c., the form was at afternoon; from c. 1600 it has been in the afternoon. As an adjective from 1570s. Middle English also had aftermete "afternoon, part of the day following the noon meal" (mid-14c.).

Hence, from the above information the word afternoon did not come to be until around the 13th century CE. However, the Hebrew word used in Exodus 12:6 is Strongs H6150, which means dusk or twilight, not afternoon.

New American Standard Bible Ex 12:18
In the first month, on the fourteenth day of the month at evening, you shall eat unleavened bread, until the twenty-first day of the month at evening. That is 8 days.

This is not correct

The 14th at evening to the 15th at evening is day 1
The 15th at evening to the 16th at evening is day 2
The 16th at evening to the 17th at evening is day 3
The 17th at evening to the 18th at evening is day 4
The 18th at evening to the 19th at evening is day 5
The 19th at evening to the 20th at evening is day 6
The 20th at evening until the 21st at evening is day 7

The 21st day (neither the evening nor the day) is included in the instructions

Therefore, seeking the knowledge of man (for clarity) is not always the proper path to take.

[JehovahsWitness]

The passover would fall on Nissan 14 by the Lunar calander. This corresponds to March 31st and is the same night Jehovah's Witnesses worldwide will be commemorating the death of Jesus.

This is not true. At least on the "invitation" I received. Pesach begins before sundown on Oct 30. The JW commemoration is after sundown on Oct. 31.

How do you do your calculations? (I take it you mean March not October)






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[bluethread]

The passover would fall on Nissan 14 by the Lunar calander. This corresponds to March 31st and is the same night Jehovah's Witnesses worldwide will be commemorating the death of Jesus.

This is not true. At least on the "invitation" I received. Pesach begins before sundown on Oct 30. The JW commemoration is after sundown on Oct. 31.

How do you do your calculations? (I take it you mean March not October)

Sorry, typo Mar. 30 & 31.

Verse 18 says the 14th at evening(or between the evenings, i.e. sunset). Since the 14th(30th) is the preparation and sacrifice day, the standard Seder can not be until just before erev 15(31st). Since Yeshua both officiated the seder and was sacrificed, there has to have been some accommodation. I believe an early Seder was permitted to accommodate the large number of sacrifices that were necessary. That accommodation would have to have been for an early sacrifice and Seder, not a late one. This is primarily because Yeshua was taken down and hastely laid in the tomb to avoid the desecration of a Shabbat, i.e. Pesach, erev 15th. Those touching the body would need to perform a mikvah(baptism) before sundown in order to observe Pesach. He could not have been executed on the fifteenth(31st), because that was a Shabbat(Pesach, not weekly as it is this year) and commemoration on the evening following would be erev 16(Apr. 1). Peach would have been ruined for those touching the body and they would have to repeat the Seder and Shabbat a month later.

Of course one can do a commemoration of Yeshua's death any time. However, if one wishes to be accurate one would recognize it shortly before and/or after the sunset of the 14th. In addition, verse 10 states, "And ye shall let nothing of it remain until the morning". So, even a mid day to sunset commemoration on the 15th(31st) would not be accurate, let alone after the sunset of the 15th(31st).

I do not think that FWI is correct, because the verse regarding the 14th to the 21st states chodesh erev for the 14th, that is renewing of the evening and for the 21st it says chodesh erev erev, that is renewing of the evening of evenings. I believe the word chodesh(blessing or renewing) indicates ending sunset, just as Rosh Chodesh refers to the renewing of the month. So, the seven days includes erev 15 through the 21st to sunset.

[JehovahsWitness]

[Replying to post 27 by bluethread]

So I ask you to provide proof that NISAN 14 falls on the 30th and you say

Since the 14th(30th) is the preparation .

Isn't this an axiom?

... if one wishes to be accurate one would recognize it shortly before and/or after the sunset of the 14th.

Are you claiming to accurately have calculated what date corresponds to Nissan 14? If so please share how you came to 30th?