Is the Jehovah Witness Religion a Christian Religion?

[polonius]

Do Jehovah Witnesses consider Jesus Christ to be God? If so, does it maintain that there are two divine persons? God and Jesus Christ?

Are both God and Jesus eternal and coequal?

[onewithhim]

I put JWs in the same category as Mormons: wishful thinking Christians. AKA scam religion.

It's important to note that the Mormons I know are very likeable (as long as you agree with them) while JWs aren't in any way shape or form likeable.

But that's just me and may not speak to the groups as a whole.

Would you please explain why you think JWs are not likeable? I find that you have a very different opinion than most people do about our likeableness. Most people like us and respect our Scriptural stand on war, political neutrality, and how we conduct ourselves during our ministry and at our conventions.

Oh, could I ask that you don't categorize us with Mormons? They don't believe that Mary was impregnated by Holy Spirit operative upon her, and that she had regular sex with a man just like everybody else, to conceive Jesus. This contradicts the Bible. It is true that she had regular sex AFTER Jesus was born, but not to conceive him. It also contradicts the Bible to teach that you can be God someday, just like our God Almighty is, and have your own planet. There are MILLIONS of Gods, they say, not just one, as the Bible teaches.

Joseph Smith dictated the Book of Mormon with his face in a hat with an occult stone in it, behind a curtain. Charles Taze Russell never did such a devious thing, always searching the Bible (King James Version) for truth. He never added to the Bible, like Smith did.






(For some good points on Mormons see the site: www.utlm.org . For good insight into Jehovah's Witnesses, see the site: www.jw.org .)

[Tcg]

So we are not a "new" sect.

The historical facts paint a very different story:

• History of the Jehovah's Witnesses
  
  The group now known as the Jehovah's Witnesses was founded in 1879 by Charles Taze Russell, a Pennsylvania businessman. Russell's Adventist background and study of the Bible led him to conclude, among other things, that the second coming of Christ would occur in 1914, that Hellfire did not exist, and God was not a Trinity.
  
  1872
  Charles Taze Russell founds the International Bible Students Association in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania.
  
  1874
  Year designated by Charles Taze Russell as the year of Christ's invisible return (with the visible return to occur in 1914).
  
  1877
  Russell co-writes and publishes Three Worlds and the Harvest of This World.
  
  1879
  Russell begings publishing the Zion's Watch Tower and Herald of Christ's Presence magazine.
  
  http://www.religionfacts.com/jehovahs-witnesses/history

Tcg

[Elijah John]

I put JWs in the same category as Mormons: wishful thinking Christians. AKA scam religion.

It's important to note that the Mormons I know are very likeable (as long as you agree with them) while JWs aren't in any way shape or form likeable.

But that's just me and may not speak to the groups as a whole.

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[Checkpoint]

[Replying to post 19 by onewithhim]

Our faith was actually almost choked out by apostate Christianity (which Jesus spoke about in parable form in Matthew chapter 13) but there was always someone on Earth that believed as we do now. So we are not a "new" sect.

Interesting!

Please clarify and explain what you have bracketed, and specify which parables.

Thanks.

[onewithhim]

So we are not a "new" sect.

The historical facts paint a very different story:

• History of the Jehovah's Witnesses
  
  The group now known as the Jehovah's Witnesses was founded in 1879 by Charles Taze Russell, a Pennsylvania businessman. Russell's Adventist background and study of the Bible led him to conclude, among other things, that the second coming of Christ would occur in 1914, that Hellfire did not exist, and God was not a Trinity.
  
  1872
  Charles Taze Russell founds the International Bible Students Association in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania.
  
  1874
  Year designated by Charles Taze Russell as the year of Christ's invisible return (with the visible return to occur in 1914).
  
  1877
  Russell co-writes and publishes Three Worlds and the Harvest of This World.
  
  1879
  Russell begings publishing the Zion's Watch Tower and Herald of Christ's Presence magazine.
  
  http://www.religionfacts.com/jehovahs-witnesses/history

Tcg

It is so clear that you didn't read my post very carefully before stating that I have presented a very different story from the one you are posting. Please tell me---what is "a very different story?" How is what I said different? It would be helpful to this discussion if you would make your accusation more clear.

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[onewithhim]

[Replying to post 19 by onewithhim]

Our faith was actually almost choked out by apostate Christianity (which Jesus spoke about in parable form in Matthew chapter 13) but there was always someone on Earth that believed as we do now. So we are not a "new" sect.

Interesting!

Please clarify and explain what you have bracketed, and specify which parables.

Thanks.

I put in parentheses that Jesus spoke about the overpowering, if you will, of true Christianity by false Christians, in Matthew chapter 13. He said that the good seed of the field was over-sown with seeds of "tares" or weeds. They were so plentiful that the landowner told his workers not to pull up the weeds because they could accidentally pull up the good wheat also. He later explained that the good seed that was sown was sown by the Son of Man, and the "field" is the world. The good seed pictures the sons of the Kingdom, the true worshippers of God and disciples of Christ. The Devil sowed the weeds which are the sons of himself, the evil one.

So we have the field of the world, where the good news has been preached and has resulted in the growth of fine true sons of the Kingdom, but the weeds sown by the Devil grew in with the wheat and almost choked them out . They were so obviously prevalent that the good wheat could almost not be found. The false Christians overtook the true Christians and prevailed as stronger than the true sons "until the harvest."

Jesus said that this would be the case until this "harvest," which is "the end of the age." This "harvest" is still in the future. So the false Christians still are a much larger group than the true Christians.

Matthew 13: 24-30, 36-43 (I used the New American Standard Bible.)

[Avoice]

I just read their book on the prophet Isaiah. I have NEVER IN MY LIFE seen so many things taken out of context to support ones ideas. Even taking a SINGLE WORD to bolster their opinion. Endless references that have nothing to do with their agendas. And the exclaimation
points are everywhere..

THEY EVEN PUT WORDS IN GOD'S MOUTH. WORDS THAT ARE SUPPOSED TO BE GOD TALKING ABOUT THEM -THE JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES. AND THEY CLAIM THAT GOD GAINED PROMINANCE BECAUSE OF THE JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES. READ:

"Then on July 26, 1931 at a convention in Columbus Ohio, the societys president Joseph F Rutherford, presented a resolution entitled 'A New Name'. The words 'we desire to be known as and called by the name, to wit,Jehovah's witnesses' thrilled the conventioners, who approved the resolution with a resounding 'Aye!' Since then Jehovahs name has gained worldwide prominance. Jehovah cares for those who bear his name honorably, viewing them as "THE PUPIL OF HIS EYE."

Your average Christian is misled. But Jehovah's Witnesses I have recently learned are the biggest fools. Talk about gullible. Seriously.

Why their organization is what propelled Jesus to the throne. And jesus wasnt on the throne until 1914 i believe they said. Oh my God are they fools. God talks of the promises made to Israel so in order to hijack that they invented a way for God to be talkibg about them. Yes, they are the 'Israel of God" ISRAEL OF GOD. Wowwwww.... Israel of God. Yep the Jews are out because they rejected Jesus. And they are the heirs!! And they call the Jews selfish and greedy. Drunks and idol worshipers. And who dont obey God. That takes some nerve. They were looking into a mirror when they wrote that. They are lawless man worshippers. And as for alcohol they should go check statistics. Selfish and greedy? Fine words from a bunch of liare

Yeah, they are the Israel of God. Rolling my eyes.

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[marco]

Yes we believe Jesus is a diety ( a god), just not the diety that is Almighty God.

Goodbye to monotheism, then. Jesus is a deity, but not the important one. There is a skill in taking words and hammering them into a meaning that suits us. I suppose there's a case for saying we are all daffodils. The psalmist sings: "I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High." Quite!

However if we are just taking god to mean Elvis was a god to his fans then we aren't saying very much.

Though it is interesting to see how people argue about definitions there is also in observing what they say a certain sadness. Cardinal Newman thought universities would inform. Of course I don't know whether Jehovah's Witnesses restrict people from taking certain university courses but I think a diet of Scripture isn't the best food for the brain.

[marco]

I put in parentheses that Jesus spoke about the overpowering, if you will, of true Christianity by false Christians, in Matthew chapter 13.

The term "false Christian" presumably means that when Christian A disagrees with Christian B, then A calls B a false Christian. I cannot see that Jesus would recognise Baptists, Methodists, Lutherans, Jehovah's Witnesses, Adventists or whatever else as expressing what he expressed. They all follow bits and pieces, it would seem, but if they pay attention to Matthew (Jesus said watch out for false reporters!) I don't think they will be following Christ.

The false Christians overtook the true Christians and prevailed as stronger than the true sons "until the harvest."

But Jesus said that the gates of hell would NOT prevail against his Church, which is the verse the RC Church maintains gives her authority. If you say that some other has indeed prevailed then that means Jesus was wrong. Can that be?

[Difflugia]

Of course I don't know whether Jehovah's Witnesses restrict people from taking certain university courses but I think a diet of Scripture isn't the best food for the brain.

There's no prohibition, but they actively discourage higher education. How much seems to depend at least partly on the local congregation (which is like any other religious group, I suppose). The one that I occasionally visit has a relatively high number of professionals, so a number of them have gone to college and have kids in college. On the other hand, the Watchtower has literally described university education as being "one of Satan's tactics."