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Jesus is God - is Jesus the bridegroom?

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Blog post by someone: https://alexiscarucci.com/2022/05/18/je ... ridegroom/

Some relevant NT passages snipped from the blog post
Jesus referred to Himself as the bridegroom when He talked about why His disciples didn’t fast (Mark 2:18 – 20). Likewise, John, the Baptist, presented himself as the bridegroom’s friend and declared that the bride belongs to the bridegroom (John 3:29). The bride of Christ or the church consists of the entire body of believers throughout the ages, all who have received salvation by grace through faith. The New Jerusalem is also referred to as a bride beautifully dressed for her husband and alludes to Christ as the bridegroom (Revelation 21:2, 9 – 10).
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https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?s ... ersion=NIV
For your Maker is your husband—
the Lord Almighty is his name—
the Holy One of Israel is your Redeemer;
he is called the God of all the earth.
I think the union between man and God that was restablished in Jesus is quite clear. When we put our faith in Jesus we are accepting that what Jesus did has united God and man. It took God to unite what man tore apart.

So, Jesus is God or is Jesus some rando that calls himself the bridegroom?
Proverbs 18:17 The one who states his case first seems right, until the other comes and examines him.

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1213 wrote: Sun Jun 23, 2024 2:42 pm
Sorry, I thought you think Jesus is the God.
I do believe he is God. Just not "God the Father."

Although, he is our father.

EBA wrote: Fri Jun 21, 2024 9:24 pmNo not “in any case”, please explain why “redeemer” is a better translation than “saviour.”
1213 wrote: Sun Jun 23, 2024 2:42 pmBecause Jesus redeemed us, and God is the savior.

Christ redeemed us...
Gal. 3:13
I, even I, am Yahweh; and besides me there is no savior.
Isa. 43:11
Yes Jesus Christ is our redeemer.

Notice Isa 43:14, just three verse from the verse you cited:


Thus saith the LORD (Jehovah), your redeemer, the Holy One of Israel;-

Let the words of my mouth, and the meditation of my heart, be acceptable in thy sight, O LORD (Jevovah), my strength, and my redeemer. (Psa 19:14)   

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[Replying to JehovahsWitness in post #18]

So who is the husband if not the bridegroom? Someone else?
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[Replying to 1213 in post #20]

Discuss the topic please or make your own.

Edit: look at the first post, understand it, strong man it, then post a reasoned on topic reply.
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EBA wrote: Sun Jun 23, 2024 4:45 pm
1213 wrote: Sun Jun 23, 2024 2:42 pm
Sorry, I thought you think Jesus is the God.
I do believe he is God. Just not "God the Father."

Although, he is our father.
But Jesus himself says there is only one true God who is greater than him. How can you call him God, when he directly says the opposite?

Jesus also says:
...Call no man on the earth your father, for one is your Father, he who is in heaven. Neither be called masters, for one is your master, the Christ. But he who is greatest among you will be your servant. Whoever exalts himself will be humbled, and whoever humbles himself will be exalted.
Matt. 23:4-12

So, why do you call him father, when he directly says don't do so?
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Wootah wrote: Sun Jun 23, 2024 6:20 pm [Replying to JehovahsWitness in post #18]

So who is the husband if not the bridegroom? Someone else?
That depends , husband of whom?
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JehovahsWitness wrote: Mon Jun 24, 2024 2:46 pm
Wootah wrote: Sun Jun 23, 2024 6:20 pm [Replying to JehovahsWitness in post #18]

So who is the husband if not the bridegroom? Someone else?
That depends , husband of whom?
Using your knowledge of the Bible and the verses listed.

Can you please strong man the case being given here and then just calmly and rationally rebut it or accept that it challenges your perception of who Jesus is.
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1213 wrote: Mon Jun 24, 2024 3:05 am
EBA wrote: Sun Jun 23, 2024 4:45 pm
1213 wrote: Sun Jun 23, 2024 2:42 pm
Sorry, I thought you think Jesus is the God.
I do believe he is God. Just not "God the Father."

Although, he is our father.
But Jesus himself says there is only one true God who is greater than him. How can you call him God, when he directly says the opposite?

Jesus also says:
...Call no man on the earth your father, for one is your Father, he who is in heaven. Neither be called masters, for one is your master, the Christ. But he who is greatest among you will be your servant. Whoever exalts himself will be humbled, and whoever humbles himself will be exalted.
Matt. 23:4-12

So, why do you call him father, when he directly says don't do so?
Well, I don't personally call him "father" I call him Jesus or Lord or Christ, but I certainly hope he's my father as you should also:

Yet it pleased the LORD to bruise him; he hath put him to grief: when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin,
he shall see his seed, he shall prolong his days, and the pleasure of the LORD shall prosper in his hand. (Isa 53:10)

Christ has a seed. A certain generation has been given to him.

They shall not labour in vain, nor bring forth for trouble; for they are the seed of the blessed of the LORD, and their offspring with them. (Isa 65:23)

He answered and said unto them, He that soweth the good seed is the Son of man;
The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; (Mat 13:37-38)

If their are "children of the kingdom" then their father must be the king.  

These shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them: for he is Lord of lords, and King of kings: and they that are with him are called, and chosen, and faithful. (Rev 17:14) 

Do you hope to be called and chosen and faithful?

I do.


But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light: (1Pe_2:9) 

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EBA wrote: Tue Jun 25, 2024 12:49 am ...
If their are "children of the kingdom" then their father must be the king.  
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Why make such an interpretation, when it is not what the Bible teaches and Jesus tells the opposite (he is not the Father, because the Father is greater than him)?
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Wootah wrote: Mon Jun 24, 2024 6:42 pm
JehovahsWitness wrote: Mon Jun 24, 2024 2:46 pm
Wootah wrote: Sun Jun 23, 2024 6:20 pm [Replying to JehovahsWitness in post #18]

So who is the husband if not the bridegroom? Someone else?
That depends , husband of whom?
Using your knowledge of the Bible and the verses listed.
Already done: viewtopic.php?p=1152061#p1152061
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[Replying to JehovahsWitness in post #29]

As per your signature,
The Lord spoken of in Romans 14:7 is Jesus Christ. Read the entire context, particularly verse 9.

Romans 14 is more proof that Jesus is God. He is Jehovah! He is Lord!
”For unless you believe that I am, you will die in your sins.” (John 8:24

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