Masturbation while thinking about God.

[methylatedghosts]

This came up in a discussion I had today. The question was:

If you are thinking about God while masturbating, is it ok?

This hasn't really been thought out very well, but it'll get the ball rolling

God = Love
According to Christian thought, one is supposed to only have sex with one you love, and loves you (or around about that).
Now, because God = Love, he can only love you.
Christianity tell us to strive for a special relationship with God.
Marriage is a special relationship with another human being in which you can have a sex.


So, God = love, therefore God can't do anything but love you.
If you love God, and have a special relationship with him - as christianity is so eager for us to do, you are therefore, able to have sex with God, if you so wished. Because that is not physically possible (human being physical, God being non-physical), masturbation with God on your mind is as close as you can get. So, I conclude, that masturbation while thinking about God is A-OK.

Go on, pick some holes if you like - I know I haven't done well. I want to generate a few responses.

[sledheavy]

Still doesn't answer the 'natural' occurence of the wet dream. If there's no one around to procreate the body still naturally finds it's way of expelling it's 'sin'. So to call it unnatural or sinful would seem a statement against human nature, and quite possibly the nature this god had intended.

I've really yet to hear an argument that actually appeals to me on this one. Spiritletters post had to be the most fulfilling I think thus far, but this trend appears to be that christians are chiming in and basing their point of views on the same opinionated conclusions as ironically as stated before and around and back around again.

insert lemming award.

Details would be a nice refresher for this topic.

Woah. First of all, I never claimed to be a Christian. I was simply presenting my understanding of the argument with some degree of levity. Now, the question you ask when you attempt to connect wet dreams to masturbation is somewhat different than what was originally asked and necessitates a different approach to the same final conclusion.

To begin with, your fundamental assertion-- if God created our sexual desires, he cannot hate them-- is correct. According to Christianity, we are created in God's image and he has instructed us to "be fruitful and multiply." (Genesis 1:28) Our sexuality is one of God's blessings, and certainly a great part of a loving relationship and fulfillment here on Earth. If it were simply a question of whether or not we should feel sexual stimulation and pleasure, the answer is very straightforwardly yes, we should.

Where masturbation deviates from this ideal is that it is ultimately a selfish act. When you masturbate and you are alone, you are not sharing your sexuality or allowing it to blossom. You are satisfying your own desires, and imagining that you can fulfill your need for a partner by yourself. What are your selfless goals as you masturbate? Do you feel that it is something that pleases and uplifts the people around you? Masturbation is self-indulgence. There's nothing loftier or more meaningful to it than that, and according to Christianity, "If we wish, we can keep our body and spirit chaste. The Master, who speaks with great severity in this matter, does not propose an impossible thing." The guidance of the Holy Spirit will lead a faithful Christian away from self-indulgence and instead present a path of self-respect and willingness to share the gift of our sexuality in a healthy and productive manner. The Bible so frequently refers to sexual self-indulgence as sinful because it's a cornerstone of hedonism. Just as when you become angry your morality does not permit you to physically assault another, your state of heightened sexuality is not an excuse for masturbation. You cannot imagine the former is justifiable in the eyes of God, so you should not imagine the latter would be either.

It is true that humans are subject to concupiscence, and "the spirit is willing but the flesh is weak." (Matthew 26:41) Humans are inevitably going to fail in their attempts to live chastely, no matter how good their intentions. That is what reconciliation is for, and the Christian God is more than willing to accept your sincere apologies and wishes to live the beautiful life he intends for you. He will forgive you if you have that sincerity, and do not look on masturbation fatalistically as something you cannot avoid, but rather something you can surmount in order to enrich your sexual experiences with your eventual partner and restore the full value of chastity to your sexual release.

Thus wet dreams are not the same as masturbation because they are not the result of a conscious choice to satisfy one's own sexual desires. Calling a wet dream a sin is almost as inane as terming blinking or breathing sinful. I hope that this is helpful and not as amenable to conformity with the belief that Christians are mindless automatons without philosophical foundation for their moral statutes.

All I have left to say is that it's about damn time someone made such a clear and concise post. Props, you've officially set the bar.

[MikeH]

If you are thinking about God while masturbating, is it ok?

Weird dude, just weird.

My question is, has anybody else besides me seen a christian girl that seem to be sexually attracted to god?

[kal-el]

This came up in a discussion I had today. The question was:

If you are thinking about God while masturbating, is it ok?

This hasn't really been thought out very well, but it'll get the ball rolling

God = Love
According to Christian thought, one is supposed to only have sex with one you love, and loves you (or around about that).
Now, because God = Love, he can only love you.
Christianity tell us to strive for a special relationship with God.
Marriage is a special relationship with another human being in which you can have a sex.


So, God = love, therefore God can't do anything but love you.
If you love God, and have a special relationship with him - as christianity is so eager for us to do, you are therefore, able to have sex with God, if you so wished. Because that is not physically possible (human being physical, God being non-physical), masturbation with God on your mind is as close as you can get. So, I conclude, that masturbation while thinking about God is A-OK.

Go on, pick some holes if you like - I know I haven't done well. I want to generate a few responses.

I think a loving, commpasionate God would want us to explore our bodies to find out what pleasures us. I don't think a just God would frown upon a chronic masturbater. After all, he provided all the necessary equipment to do the job. It's kinda like he expects people to do this. It's stupid not to expect it, if you provide all the parts. It's like desigining an airplane and not expecting it to fly.

[sledheavy]

If you are thinking about God while masturbating, is it ok?

Weird dude, just weird.

My question is, has anybody else besides me seen a christian girl that seem to be sexually attracted to god?

Never one at my high school or my church, although I wouldn't think anyone would admit to it. I mean there were a few that came close. And a lot you'd just wish they'd come out of the closet and stop living in denial.

[Madeline]

Masturbation while thinking about God?

Not only is that blasphemous, but it's abhorrent and shameful. I'm appalled that someone would even create a thread with such a title.

[Chad]

Masturbation while thinking about God?

Not only is that blasphemous, but it's abhorrent and shameful. I'm appalled that someone would even create a thread with such a title.

I thought it was interesting. Maybe not in the best taste, but not abhorrent. If you read the whole post it doesn't come off as intentionally disrespectful, more like odd curiosity.

[Cathar1950]

Masturbation while thinking about God?

Not only is that blasphemous, but it's abhorrent and shameful. I'm appalled that someone would even create a thread with such a title.

I thought it was interesting. Maybe not in the best taste, but not abhorrent. If you read the whole post it doesn't come off as intentionally disrespectful, more like odd curiosity.

It does demonstrate our uptight ideas about sex.
I don't think it is either "blasphemous, abhorrent or shameful but it is honest.
They mystics often used the model of God as lover and some suggest that that is one of the reasons the "songs of Solomon were included. Of course they don't seem to have been writen by Solomon and appear to be old love songs between a god and goddess.

[Madeline]

I am a Christian, thus it is blasphemous and abohorrent to masturbate whilst thinking about God, let alone masturbate. Masturbation is a sin according to my belief, and sin is an abomination in the eyes of a Holy and Just God.

Love,
Madeline

[sledheavy]

I am a Christian, thus it is blasphemous and abohorrent to masturbate whilst thinking about God, let alone masturbate. Masturbation is a sin according to my belief, and sin is an abomination in the eyes of a Holy and Just God.

Love,
Madeline

lol....whilst.

Should any discussion go unmentioned for that reason, that would be worse than sin. Turning a blind eye to a topic, just because of it's context is ignorance. Obviously you've got something to say, so good or bad, it does open everyone's mind to consider the ramifications of the situation.

And I suppose anyone adding ignorance to a topic would be just as bad, but regardless of which a lot of open minded people have found this discussion interesting.

That being said,

there really is MUCH justification to the topic because the people commenting aren't ignorant or stupid.

And if a topic as such can bring people to add intelligent comments and questions then I fail to see a problem.

[Madeline]

How mature of you to mock my grammar...
As for the rest of your post which didn't deal with the topic being discussed...I think William Penn describes it best.

Speak properly, and in as few words as you can, but always plainly; for the end of speech is not ostentation, but to be understood.
William Penn (1644 - 1718)