What is God responsible for?

[Willum]

Many things were done in God's name:
But what is he responsible for?

When the Catholic Nazi Germany attempts a genocide, a man is blamed.
When Hebrews commit genocide on the Canaan, it is his will.

We have plagues, on Catholic countries, for example. The Dark Ages were committed in Yahweh's name. Were they?

Why would Yahweh plunge the civilization of Rome, with health, farming and sanitation, back into the primitive squalor of ancient Jerusalem, if so?

If not, why did he not stop such a terror? It seems to be in His purview.

How does one determine if an act is done in God's will, or men's will?
Does the Bible tell us?

Understanding that free will is a constraint - we can also understand that mob's and large numbers of people lose free will, does this fall into God's purview, then?

In short, how does one know what God is responsible for;
Any group decision?
A decision influenced by prayer?

The position is that presented by Romans 13:

Obey the rulers who have authority over you. Only God can give authority to anyone, and he puts these rulers in their places of power. 2 People who oppose the authorities are opposing what God has done, and they will be punished. 3 Rulers are a threat to evil people, not to good people. There is no need to be afraid of the authorities. Just do right, and they will praise you for it. 4 After all, they are God’s servants, and it is their duty to help you.

The position of the OP is: those atrocities committed by governments, God's will, and he is responsible for them.

[Willum]

[Replying to post 222 by ttruscott]

So he is responsible for choosing something.
How can we know?

[hoghead1]

[Replying to Willum]

Oh, blame me, will ya? Well, if I'm to blame for getting us off track, then I'm the one responsible to get us back on. Since the post is assuming there is a God, one basic question would be how does God exercise power, by coercion or by persuasion. I propose by persuasion. I say that, because if God were a cosmic dictator, then we would have no freedom, be but puppets. But I believe we do have genuine freedom. Therefore, I see God as working y persuasion. God is the ideal model of power, power over powers, presiding the free self-decisions of others. I know I have said that before, but I thought I would bring it up again to help get some of us back on track.

[Monta]

[Replying to post 221 by Willum]

Again, the OP you set up is assuming there is a God. It does not ask for proofs for the existence of God, which is what your current post is aiming at. It is taking God as a given, just asking for clarification as to God's role in creation. OK, in response to your OP, I am saying God's chief responsibility is the creation of beauty. If you have doubts about the existence of God, then you should have set up a different OP.

God's role in creation: sustaining its endevor towards perfection.

[Willum]

[Replying to Monta]

I am sorry, but how do you know?
Is there a Bible verse you can quote?

TiredofNonsense put in a Psalms reference, and that seems to be the winner.

If you want to beat that, you need to beat Psalms.

Thanks for your consideration.

[Willum]

[Replying to post 232 by hoghead1]

This si the Doctrine section as well. The Bible is cannon here.
Everyone has there opinion and what they think.

Tell me what you think then back it up with scripture, or something other than opinion.

Right now Psalms are in the pot. It's the hand you need to beat.

[Blastcat]

[Replying to post 216 by hoghead1]



[center]
A claimed "solid position" left undefended.[/center]

I know I have a solid position and I am confident I can defend it. If you wish, you may disagree. And I am more than willing to offer counter-rebuttals.

If you need help in creating that thread, let us know.
I would love to discuss the defense of your "position"

This post didn't do that.. what I did see was a lot of semantic playfulness.
Your quote above, for example, to me sounds like "bluster".

[Blastcat]

[Replying to post 222 by ttruscott]





[center]God's signal to noise ratio is exceedingly low[/center]

GOD chooses those who want what HE offers. HIS offer is low key enough that no one is forced by awe or fear to want to chose it, to save themselves from the consequences of not choosing it, for instance - they can say I like that or I just don’t think so with a feeling of impunity.

God seems to be a very bad communicator, by your reasoning.
Maybe he should SPEAK UP if he really wants to be heard.

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  Do you hear God speak to you?
  
  

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[hoghead1]

[Replying to post 236 by Blastcat]

If you are going to personally attack me, writing me off as "sematic playfulness" and "bluster," then I don't see how we can have a meaningful dialogue.

[hoghead1]

[Replying to post 235 by Willum]

It "their" position, not "there" position, by the way.

The OP says nothing about he Bible being "canon" here, so I am not sure what you are asking us to do. The OP suggests you are holding the POV that the Bible is claiming God governs coercively, the princes being merely puppets (to paraphrase Luther), and that therefore no one should challenge the status quo. Is that it?

[dio9]

Asking what God is responsible for is a very Christian question. Since god is responsible for everything what can one say? God made the birds and the bees and the flowers and the trees and you and me and everybody else. But responsible is not the right word for what God is , try concerned or emphatic instead.

What is God concerned about? This is the question.
God feels our pain. Logically speaking God wants to stop the pain. Would you call that responsible ? Or just good sense.

If you imply God is responsible for Man's folly ?
I would say no , God is not responsible for that. Nor responsible for ; Climate change or war? No no no. But God is with us, in our folly , in catastrophe, in disease , in war and all the good stuff too. In whatever happens God is with in our very being.God is as responsible as we are.