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Abortion, Circumcision, and Hypocrisy

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Abortion, Circumcision, and Hypocrisy

Some time ago, a question occurred to me: If Anti-abortion (pro-life) supporters argued under the assumption that unborn children had certain rights, (in this case, the right to life) does it constitute hypocrisy if the same person has his or her child circumcised shortly after birth, when the child is incapable of consenting to said operation?

So the questions for debate are as follows:

Does circumcision violate the rights of an infant?

Should cosmetic surgery on infants (excluding reconstructive cosmetic surgery) be considered unethical?

Does it constitute hypocrisy to be both pro-life and have his or her child circumcised?

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PhilosoRaptor wrote:
AdHoc wrote: I think it's interesting that people can be more concerned about a tissue blob than a human being.
Wow. Mind=blown by that double double entendre. If I didn't already know, it would be impossible to tell what side you are on, hahaha.
Maybe that's why I didn't get any replies... Glad you appreciated it though.

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AdHoc wrote:
PhilosoRaptor wrote:
AdHoc wrote: I think it's interesting that people can be more concerned about a tissue blob than a human being.
Wow. Mind=blown by that double double entendre. If I didn't already know, it would be impossible to tell what side you are on, hahaha.
Maybe that's why I didn't get any replies... Glad you appreciated it though.
Your post was on topic with the OP, I just think you changed the focus. Everyone kind of stopped, lol.

On embryos, we would first have to define human and non-human.

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Nickman wrote:
AdHoc wrote:
PhilosoRaptor wrote:
AdHoc wrote: I think it's interesting that people can be more concerned about a tissue blob than a human being.
Wow. Mind=blown by that double double entendre. If I didn't already know, it would be impossible to tell what side you are on, hahaha.
Maybe that's why I didn't get any replies... Glad you appreciated it though.
Your post was on topic with the OP, I just think you changed the focus. Everyone kind of stopped, lol.

On embryos, we would first have to define human and non-human.
I'm more interested in human embryos, but... I don't know why someone would want to terminate non-human embryos? I think you can get a hefty fine for destroying eagle eggs.

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AdHoc wrote:
Nickman wrote:
AdHoc wrote:
PhilosoRaptor wrote:
AdHoc wrote: I think it's interesting that people can be more concerned about a tissue blob than a human being.
Wow. Mind=blown by that double double entendre. If I didn't already know, it would be impossible to tell what side you are on, hahaha.
Maybe that's why I didn't get any replies... Glad you appreciated it though.
Your post was on topic with the OP, I just think you changed the focus. Everyone kind of stopped, lol.

On embryos, we would first have to define human and non-human.
I'm more interested in human embryos, but... I don't know why someone would want to terminate non-human embryos? I think you can get a hefty fine for destroying eagle eggs.
Let me rephrase for clarity. We need a good workable definition of the point in which an embryo becomes identifiable as a human being. Some point, in it's development, that we can agree on. If we cannot establish that, then the debate would be futile.

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Nickman wrote:
AdHoc wrote:
Nickman wrote:
AdHoc wrote:
PhilosoRaptor wrote:
AdHoc wrote: I think it's interesting that people can be more concerned about a tissue blob than a human being.
Wow. Mind=blown by that double double entendre. If I didn't already know, it would be impossible to tell what side you are on, hahaha.
Maybe that's why I didn't get any replies... Glad you appreciated it though.
Your post was on topic with the OP, I just think you changed the focus. Everyone kind of stopped, lol.

On embryos, we would first have to define human and non-human.
I'm more interested in human embryos, but... I don't know why someone would want to terminate non-human embryos? I think you can get a hefty fine for destroying eagle eggs.
Let me rephrase for clarity. We need a good workable definition of the point in which an embryo becomes identifiable as a human being. Some point, in it's development, that we can agree on. If we cannot establish that, then the debate would be futile.
agreed, for now that point is when the babies break on through to the other side... If they manage to run the gauntlet up to that point they're money.

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AdHoc wrote:
Nickman wrote:
AdHoc wrote:
Nickman wrote:
AdHoc wrote:
PhilosoRaptor wrote:
AdHoc wrote: I think it's interesting that people can be more concerned about a tissue blob than a human being.
Wow. Mind=blown by that double double entendre. If I didn't already know, it would be impossible to tell what side you are on, hahaha.
Maybe that's why I didn't get any replies... Glad you appreciated it though.
Your post was on topic with the OP, I just think you changed the focus. Everyone kind of stopped, lol.

On embryos, we would first have to define human and non-human.
I'm more interested in human embryos, but... I don't know why someone would want to terminate non-human embryos? I think you can get a hefty fine for destroying eagle eggs.
Let me rephrase for clarity. We need a good workable definition of the point in which an embryo becomes identifiable as a human being. Some point, in it's development, that we can agree on. If we cannot establish that, then the debate would be futile.
agreed, for now that point is when the babies break on through to the other side... If they manage to run the gauntlet up to that point they're money.
Ok so aborting 1 day prior is ok. What about the crucible?

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Nickman wrote:
AdHoc wrote:
Nickman wrote:
AdHoc wrote:
Nickman wrote:
AdHoc wrote:
PhilosoRaptor wrote:
AdHoc wrote: I think it's interesting that people can be more concerned about a tissue blob than a human being.
Wow. Mind=blown by that double double entendre. If I didn't already know, it would be impossible to tell what side you are on, hahaha.
Maybe that's why I didn't get any replies... Glad you appreciated it though.
Your post was on topic with the OP, I just think you changed the focus. Everyone kind of stopped, lol.

On embryos, we would first have to define human and non-human.
I'm more interested in human embryos, but... I don't know why someone would want to terminate non-human embryos? I think you can get a hefty fine for destroying eagle eggs.
Let me rephrase for clarity. We need a good workable definition of the point in which an embryo becomes identifiable as a human being. Some point, in it's development, that we can agree on. If we cannot establish that, then the debate would be futile.
agreed, for now that point is when the babies break on through to the other side... If they manage to run the gauntlet up to that point they're money.
Ok so aborting 1 day prior is ok. What about the crucible?
Crucible? What's that?

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AdHoc wrote:
Nickman wrote:
AdHoc wrote:
Nickman wrote:
AdHoc wrote:
Nickman wrote:
AdHoc wrote:
PhilosoRaptor wrote:
AdHoc wrote: I think it's interesting that people can be more concerned about a tissue blob than a human being.
Wow. Mind=blown by that double double entendre. If I didn't already know, it would be impossible to tell what side you are on, hahaha.
Maybe that's why I didn't get any replies... Glad you appreciated it though.
Your post was on topic with the OP, I just think you changed the focus. Everyone kind of stopped, lol.

On embryos, we would first have to define human and non-human.
I'm more interested in human embryos, but... I don't know why someone would want to terminate non-human embryos? I think you can get a hefty fine for destroying eagle eggs.
Let me rephrase for clarity. We need a good workable definition of the point in which an embryo becomes identifiable as a human being. Some point, in it's development, that we can agree on. If we cannot establish that, then the debate would be futile.
agreed, for now that point is when the babies break on through to the other side... If they manage to run the gauntlet up to that point they're money.
Ok so aborting 1 day prior is ok. What about the crucible?
Crucible? What's that?
http://www.defense.gov/specials/basic/

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Nickman wrote:
AdHoc wrote:
Nickman wrote:
AdHoc wrote:
Nickman wrote:
AdHoc wrote:
Nickman wrote:
AdHoc wrote:
PhilosoRaptor wrote:
AdHoc wrote: I think it's interesting that people can be more concerned about a tissue blob than a human being.
Wow. Mind=blown by that double double entendre. If I didn't already know, it would be impossible to tell what side you are on, hahaha.
Maybe that's why I didn't get any replies... Glad you appreciated it though.
Your post was on topic with the OP, I just think you changed the focus. Everyone kind of stopped, lol.

On embryos, we would first have to define human and non-human.
I'm more interested in human embryos, but... I don't know why someone would want to terminate non-human embryos? I think you can get a hefty fine for destroying eagle eggs.
Let me rephrase for clarity. We need a good workable definition of the point in which an embryo becomes identifiable as a human being. Some point, in it's development, that we can agree on. If we cannot establish that, then the debate would be futile.
agreed, for now that point is when the babies break on through to the other side... If they manage to run the gauntlet up to that point they're money.
Ok so aborting 1 day prior is ok. What about the crucible?
Crucible? What's that?
http://www.defense.gov/specials/basic/
"trained to ignore pain, ignore weather, to live off the land, to eat things that would make a billy goat (expectorate)"

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AdHoc wrote:
Nickman wrote:
AdHoc wrote:
Nickman wrote:
AdHoc wrote:
Nickman wrote:
AdHoc wrote:
Nickman wrote:
AdHoc wrote:
PhilosoRaptor wrote: Wow. Mind=blown by that double double entendre. If I didn't already know, it would be impossible to tell what side you are on, hahaha.
Maybe that's why I didn't get any replies... Glad you appreciated it though.
Your post was on topic with the OP, I just think you changed the focus. Everyone kind of stopped, lol.

On embryos, we would first have to define human and non-human.
I'm more interested in human embryos, but... I don't know why someone would want to terminate non-human embryos? I think you can get a hefty fine for destroying eagle eggs.
Let me rephrase for clarity. We need a good workable definition of the point in which an embryo becomes identifiable as a human being. Some point, in it's development, that we can agree on. If we cannot establish that, then the debate would be futile.
agreed, for now that point is when the babies break on through to the other side... If they manage to run the gauntlet up to that point they're money.
Ok so aborting 1 day prior is ok. What about the crucible?
Crucible? What's that?
http://www.defense.gov/specials/basic/
"trained to ignore pain, ignore weather, to live off the land, to eat things that would make a billy goat (expectorate)"
You got it. Semper Fi, do or die, kill'em all let god sort 'em out

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