What is self?

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bernee51
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What is self?

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In another thread the following exchange took place:
Wizardsblade wrote:
bernee51 wrote:
Wizardsblade wrote:"I am god, I am perfect, I have perfect love of myself. No dilemma."

One can not create ones self.
Can you define 'self'?

Buddhists would hold otherwise. We do indeed create our self. It can be no other way.
Then buddhists have no parents? Can a buddhists create them selves from nothing? bc i have never seen someone pop into existence from nothing.

Self - "1. a person or thing referred to with respect to complete individuality" (dictionary.com)
The implication from the above question...Then buddhists have no parents?...implies that the self is somehow part of the body. Or the whole body. But is that the case? I am a biological being no different, apart from minor functionality, to any of you. For all intents and purposes we are identical biological beings. If it is 'self' that sets us apart, it is obviously not the biological body.


We say "my' limbs, "my" brain, "my" name, "my" comsciousness. Is the 'self' the exclusive owner of these things? If my leg is cut off, my 'self' has lost an arm but itself remains intact. My physical integrity may be diminished, my 'self' however is preserved. If limbs are lost, at what point does the self begin to vanish? We perceive a self as long as we have the power of thought.

Which brings us to Descartes..."I think therefor I am". Does the fact of thought prove anything about the self? Is not the "I" nothing more than the current contents of our mental flow - changing from moment to moment. It is not enough for something to be perceived or conceived of for that thing toexist. We can see a mirage but it has no reality.

The self is a concept of which we can identify no distinct parts but which allows us to conceive of ourselves as single and complete beings.

But does it really exist and if so where is it?

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Curious wrote:
Greatest I Am wrote:
Curious wrote:
McCulloch wrote:
Curious wrote:I might be entirely wrong, but I believe that self is entirely self determined.
Sounds a bit circular.
It does doesn't it? Maybe question and answer validate each other.
I would disagree.
We are the product of all that we come into contact with.
If I am born the son of a miner I will have a certain vocabulary of colorful speech shall we say.
If I am born the son of a layer, my speech will likely be less so.
A child is a blank sheet on which we all draw. With age he or she can be aware of their personality and traits but we are all slaves to our God given natures.
how we end up is determined by the sub group we belong to.

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DL
While our environment plays a large part in what we are, we are more a product of the perception of this than the reality.
I would suggest that we believe ourselves to be is totally a product of our percptions.
"Whatever you are totally ignorant of, assert to be the explanation of everything else"

William James quoting Dr. Hodgson

"When I see I am nothing, that is wisdom. When I see I am everything, that is love. My life is a movement between these two."

Nisargadatta Maharaj

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bernee51 wrote:
Curious wrote:
Greatest I Am wrote:
Curious wrote:
McCulloch wrote:
Curious wrote:I might be entirely wrong, but I believe that self is entirely self determined.
Sounds a bit circular.
It does doesn't it? Maybe question and answer validate each other.
I would disagree.
We are the product of all that we come into contact with.
If I am born the son of a miner I will have a certain vocabulary of colorful speech shall we say.
If I am born the son of a layer, my speech will likely be less so.
A child is a blank sheet on which we all draw. With age he or she can be aware of their personality and traits but we are all slaves to our God given natures.
how we end up is determined by the sub group we belong to.

Regards
DL
While our environment plays a large part in what we are, we are more a product of the perception of this than the reality.
I would suggest that we believe ourselves to be is totally a product of our percptions.
most definately

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