666

[NotR]

I am sure this topic is already posted somewere... What is the number of the beast? (i will put in my view later)

[McCulloch]

McCulloch,

So [strike]your [/strike][you're] saying it was William Shakespeare (1564–1616) who developed the Revelation Author's gravitation mark "G", name "JESUS", image "G'S US", and number "666. x 10^-10 tail^3/tail-tail^2" well before the metric units? Maybe so but he and others in the British Empire were still using letter "I" instead of letter "J" whose separate Middle High German sounds were developed by Petrus Ramus (1515–1572). Of course most in the Occident West knew of Leonardo da Vinci (1452–1519) mathematics, science and engineering, then again Shakespeake was certainly able to tell a ".666 x 10^-7 tail^3/tail-tail^2" with a tale.

Garry Denke

No, I am saying nothing of the kind. I am saying that in Elizabethan times, I and J were used interchangeably and were considered the same letter in English.

I have absolutely no idea what you mean by the Revelation Author's gravitation mark. I still see no "G" in the name Jesus. I do not understand what "G'S US" is supposed to signify.

I recognize some of the constants from physics, as measured in SI units. But I get lost when you seem to be attaching some kind of mystical meaning to them.

In short, your post makes about as much sense to me as


I would appreciate it if you could start at the beginning, make as few assumptions as possible and explain to me what the heck you are talking about.

[Garry Denke]

McCulloch,

Being not versed in systems of measurement predating the current SI system, such as the cgs system of Rev. John Michell and Henry Cavendish, those used during the Elizabethan Era (1558–1603), and the many previous to them, it is no wonder none of this makes any sense to you. The Book of Revelation is a book about gravitation, a children's story of a wounded seven headed [strike].0000000[/strike] 666 ten horned x 10^-7 seven crowned third parted centimetre^3/gram-second^2 tailed dragon that does not exist, so best wishes in your Elizabethan Era study.

"JESUS" is actually spelled "GESUS" in several old versions.

[McCulloch]

Being not versed in systems of measurement predating the current SI system, such as the cgs system of Rev. John Michell and Henry Cavendish, those used during the Elizabethan Era (1558–1603), and the many previous to them, it is no wonder none of this makes any sense to you. The Book of Revelation is a book about gravitation, a children's story of a wounded seven headed [strike].0000000[/strike] 666 ten horned x 10^-7 seven crowned third parted centimetre^3/gram-second^2 tailed dragon that does not exist, so best wishes in your Elizabethan Era study.

Let's start with this one: The Book of Revelation is a book about gravitation. I have read The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave Him to show to His bond-servants, the things which must soon take place; and He sent and communicated it by His angel to His bond-servant John, who testified to the word of God and to the testimony of Jesus Christ, even to all that he saw. I missed seeing how it discusses gravitation. I don't think that the co-incidence that certain physical constants using a system of measurement developed centuries after the book was written with certain obscure symbolic numbers in the book proves your point. What else have you got?

"JESUS" is actually spelled "GESUS" in several old versions.

I did not know that. Why is that significant? Is there some kind of conspiracy that removed the "G" and replaced it with "J" or "I"? What difference would that make?

[Garry Denke]

McCulloch,

Maybe this will help, if not well whatever.

Proverbs 3:19
NASB: The LORD by wisdom founded the earth, By understanding He established the heavens.
GWT: By Wisdom the LORD laid the foundation of the earth. By understanding he established the heavens.
KJV: The LORD by wisdom hath founded the earth; by understanding hath he established the heavens.
ASV: Jehovah by wisdom founded the earth; By understanding he established the heavens.
BBE: The Lord by wisdom put in position the bases of the earth; by reason he put the heavens in their place.
DBY: Jehovah by wisdom founded the earth; by understanding he established the heavens.
JPS: The LORD by wisdom founded the earth; by understanding He established the heavens.
WEB: By wisdom Yahweh founded the earth. By understanding, he established the heavens.
YLT: Jehovah by wisdom did found the earth, He prepared the heavens by understanding.

http://www-history.mcs.st-andrews.ac.uk ... ation.html
http://www-history.mcs.st-andrews.ac.uk ... ivity.html

Proverbs 4:5
NASB: Acquire wisdom! Acquire understanding!
GWT: Acquire wisdom. Acquire understanding.
KJV: Get wisdom, get understanding:
ASV: Get wisdom, get understanding;
BBE: Get wisdom, get true knowledge;
DBY: Get wisdom, get intelligence:
JPS: Get wisdom, get understanding;
WEB: Get wisdom. Get understanding.
YLT: Get wisdom, get understanding,

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gravitational_redshift
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pound-Rebka_experiment

Revelation 12:3-4
NASB: ...a great red dragon having seven heads and ten horns, and on his heads were seven diadems. And his tail swept away a third...
GWT: ...a huge fiery red serpent with seven heads, ten horns, and seven crowns on its heads. Its tail swept away one-third...
KJV: ...a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads. And his tail drew the third part...
ASV: ...a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his heads seven diadems. And his tail draweth the third part...
BBE: ...a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and on his heads seven crowns. And his tail was pulling a third part...
DBY: ...a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and on his heads seven diadems; and his tail draws the third part...
WEY: ...a great fiery-red Dragon, with seven heads and ten horns; and on his heads were seven kingly crowns. His tail was drawing after it a third part...
WEB: ...a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and on his heads seven crowns. His tail drew one third...
YLT: ...a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his head seven diadems, and his tail doth draw the third...

Revelation 12's wisdom:
G's = [strike].0000000[/strike] (seven heads), .666 (three sixes), x 10 (ten horns), ^-7 (seven crowns), and length^3/mass-time^2 (tail third part)]
...dragon's seven heads' slain.

Revelation 13:1
NASB: ...beast coming up out of the sea, having ten horns and seven heads, and on his horns [were] ten diadems, and on his heads [were] blasphemous names.
GWT: ...beast coming out of the sea. It had ten horns, seven heads, and ten crowns on its horns. There were insulting names on its heads.
KJV: ...beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy.
ASV: ...beast coming up out of the sea, having ten horns, and seven heads, and on his horns ten diadems, and upon his heads names of blasphemy.
BBE: ...beast coming up out of the sea, having ten horns and seven heads, and on his horns ten crowns, and on his heads unholy names.
DBY: ...beast rising out of the sea, having ten horns and seven heads, and upon its horns ten diadems, and upon its heads names of blasphemy.
WEY: ...Beast coming up out of the sea, and he had ten horns and seven heads. On his horns were ten kingly crowns, and inscribed on his heads were names full of blasphemy.
WEB: ...beast coming up out of the sea, having ten horns and seven heads. On his horns were ten crowns, and on his heads, blasphemous names.
YLT: ...beast coming up, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon its horns ten diadems, and upon its heads a name of evil speaking,

Revelation 13's wisdom:
G's = [strike].0000000[/strike] (seven heads), 666. (three sixes), x 10 (ten horns), ^-10 (ten crowns), and length^3/mass-time^2 (tail third part)
...beast's seven heads' slain.

1789-1799 targeted value:
G's (cgs) = [strike]0[/strike].666 x 10^-7 cm^3/g-s^2 (dragon)
G's (cgs) = 6.66 x 10^-8 cm^3/g-s^2 (proper)
G's (cgs) = 66.6 x 10^-9 cm^3/g-s^2 (books)
G's (cgs) = 666. x 10^-10 cm^3/g-s^2 (beast)
...deadly wound healed.

1986-2006 rounded value
G's (cgs) = [strike]0[/strike].667 x 10^-7 cm^3/g-s^2 (dragon)
G's (cgs) = 6.67 x 10^-8 cm^3/g-s^2 (proper)
G's (cgs) = 66.7 x 10^-9 cm^3/g-s^2 (books)
G's (cgs) = 667. x 10^-10 cm^3/g-s^2 (beast)
...deadly wound healed.

http://physics.nist.gov/cgi-bin/cuu/Value?bg
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gravitational_constant

1986-2006 rounded value
G's (SI) = [strike]0[/strike].667 x 10^-7 m^3/kg-s^2 (dragon)
G's (SI) = 6.67 x 10^-8 m^3/kg-s^2 (proper)
G's (SI) = 66.7 x 10^-9 m^3/kg-s^2 (books)
G's (SI) = 667. x 10^-10 m^3/kg-s^2 (beast)
...deadly wound healed.

1986-2006 rounded value
G's (SI) = [strike]0[/strike].667 x 10^-7 N-m^2/kg^2 (dragon)
G's (SI) = 6.67 x 10^-8 N-m^2/kg^2 (proper)
G's (SI) = 66.7 x 10^-9 N-m^2/kg^2 (books)
G's (SI) = 667. x 10^-10 N-m^2/kg^2 (beast)
...deadly wound healed.

Hope this helped, if not whatever.

G-D, G/G

[Garry Denke]

What else have you got?

Seven stars (Gott *7 stars)
1) dark temperature: [(hbar*c^5/G)^1/2]/k = 4.2903353(04) x 10^31 K
2) electric current: e/[(hbar*G/c^5)^1/2] = 9.8137286(29) x 10^24 A
3) dark matter: (hbar*c/G)^1/2 = 6.5907305(98) x 10^-9 kg
4) amount of substance: [(hbar*c/G)^1/2]/M = 1.6605387(82) x 10^-24 mol
5) dark length: (hbar*G/c^3)^1/2 = 4.8943724(18) x 10^-36 m
6) luminous intensity: [(hbar*G/c^5)^1/2]/alpha = 2.2372317(89) x 10^-42 cd
7) dark time: (hbar*G/c^5)^1/2 = 1.6325869(07) x 10^-44 s

Four angles (Gott *7 stars)
1) four pi angle: (4*pi) = 1.2566370614359172953... x 10^1 (4pi)
2) two pi angle: (2*pi) = 6.2831853071795864769... x 10^0 (2pi)
3) fine-structure angle: e^2/(e0*h*c) = 1.4594705(07) x 10^-2 rad
4) fine-structure constant: e^2/(2*e0*h*c) = 7.2973525(37) x 10-3 sr

Gott *7 stars, what have you got?

Why is that significant? What difference would that make?

Big "G" of a difference between Old "I" and New "J".

Grander key, Dark energy

[Garry Denke]

CORRECTION:

Energy = hbar [(G*d)^1/2] is correct, but the current definition of hbar is not. Decades ago it was postulated that hbar = e^2 / alpha*c in cgs units and it was postulated that hbar = e^2 / (4pi)*e0*alpha*c in SI units. However both postulates in both systems of the theoretical definition(s) were proven false by Lewis & Adams (1914) and Sommerfeld (1916). The actual measured quantum of alpha is hbar = h (2*alpha) in both the cgs and SI systems. This is quite a quantum variation, and a hand tinkering with the fundamentals, indeed. Since hbar = Energy / [(G*d)^1/2] and since hbar = h (2*alpha) it is a simple matter to write Energy = h (2*alpha) [(G*d)^1/2]. Remember, hbar = h / (2pi) was only a theory, hbar = h (2*alpha) is a measured quantity.

force = c^4 / G
Quantum variation? None
G = gravitation
c = light
f = force

power = c^5 / G
Quantum variation? None
G = gravitation
c = light
p = power

frequency = (G*d)^1/2
Quantum variation? Root
G = gravitation
d = density
1/t = frequency

energy = hbar [(G*d)^1/2]
Quantum variation? Yes
G = gravitation
d = density
hbar = quantum of alpha
E = energy

energy = h (2*alpha) [(G*d)^1/2]
Quantum variation? Yes
G = gravitation
d = density
h = quantum of action
alpha = interaction strength
E = energy

Historical Note: Einstein had reached the final version of general relativity after a slow road with progress but many errors along the way. In December 1915 he said of himself: That fellow Einstein suits his convenience. Every year he retracts what he wrote the year before.

[(brackets)] Sorry!

[Garry Denke]

Schoolboy Error Correction:

1789-1799 targeted value:
G's (cgs) = [strike]0[/strike] .666 x 10^-7 cm^3/g-s^2 (dragon)
G's (cgs) = 6.66 x 10^-8 cm^3/g-s^2 (proper)
G's (cgs) = 66.6 x 10^-9 cm^3/g-s^2 (books)
G's (cgs) = 666. x 10^-10 cm^3/g-s^2 (beast)
...one head healed.

1969-2006 rounded value
G's (cgs) = [strike]0[/strike] .667 x 10^-7 cm^3/g-s^2 (dragon)
G's (cgs) = 6.67 x 10^-8 cm^3/g-s^2 (proper)
G's (cgs) = 66.7 x 10^-9 cm^3/g-s^2 (books)
G's (cgs) = 667. x 10^-10 cm^3/g-s^2 (beast)
...one head healed.

1986 CODATA values
1998 CODATA values
2002 CODATA values
2006 CODATA values

1969-2006 rounded value
G's (SI) = [strike]0[/strike] .667 x 10^-10 m^3/kg-s^2 (dragon)
G's (SI) = 6.67 x 10^-11 m^3/kg-s^2 (proper)
G's (SI) = 66.7 x 10^-12 m^3/kg-s^2 (books)
G's (SI) = 667. x 10^-13 m^3/kg-s^2 (beast)
...one head healed.

1969-2006 rounded value
G's (SI) = [strike]0[/strike] .667 x 10^-10 N-m^2/kg^2 (dragon)
G's (SI) = 6.67 x 10^-11 N-m^2/kg^2 (proper)
G's (SI) = 66.7 x 10^-12 N-m^2/kg^2 (books)
G's (SI) = 667. x 10^-13 N-m^2/kg^2 (beast)
...one head healed.

Dragon-Beast Power Corrected

[Furrowed Brow]

2006 codata figure for G is 6.67428 x 10^-11, or if you prefer 0.0000000000667428. Now 667428 is not 666.

Most papers that offer alternative give a value above and not to below 7. E.g. 6.672. There is no suggestion that G will end up zoning in on 6.66.

This seems to be but one of many weaknesses in your methodology.

The second weakness is that the figure 6.67428 could have come out different, in fact completely different if a different standard of units was adopted. If we tweak the present standard SI units a few percent, you could make G turn out to be 666 right now. But then you could also get G to = 1, or pi or my house number.

Thus your thesis depends on SI units as much as it does a very imaginative interpretation of the bible. As I say we could use Planck units, where G = 1, and puff there goes your argument.

So it seems you need an argument that makes SI units of particular importance. Are SI units inspired by the holy spirit? Are those bars of iridium sealed in vacuums, in various vaults around the world, the original being in Paris, of holy design? For this is what your whole idea entails.

you also wanted to say that the h-bar does not equal h/2pi. We could go in to that but, I guess that means you are using revelation to say something potentially falsifiable. Yes?

[McCulloch]

"JESUS" is actually spelled "GESUS" in several old versions.

I did not know that. Why is that significant? Is there some kind of conspiracy that removed the "G" and replaced it with "J" or "I"? What difference would that make?

Big "G" of a difference between Old "I" and New "J".

I still don't know if Jesus was actually spelled Gesus, as you say, in several old versions. Which old versions would those be?

[McCulloch]

The LORD by wisdom founded the earth, By understanding He established the heavens.

Christianity, like most religions claim that their God is wise and created the universe.

Acquire wisdom! Acquire understanding!

Good ideas.

...a great red dragon having seven heads and ten horns, and on his heads were seven diadems. And his tail swept away a third...

Revelation 12's wisdom:
G's = [strike].0000000[/strike] (seven heads), .666 (three sixes), x 10 (ten horns), ^-7 (seven crowns), and length^3/mass-time^2 (tail third part)]
...dragon's seven heads' slain.

You lost me. A mythical red dragon with seven heads each with a diadem and ten horns with a mighty tail. Why would that correspond to .666 × 10 to the seventh root? It still seems like nonsense to me.

...beast coming up out of the sea, having ten horns and seven heads, and on his horns [were] ten diadems, and on his heads [were] blasphemous names.

Revelation 13's wisdom:
G's = [strike].0000000[/strike] (seven heads), 666. (three sixes), x 10 (ten horns), ^-10 (ten crowns), and length^3/mass-time^2 (tail third part)
...beast's seven heads' slain.

Same issue.

1789-1799 targeted value:
G's (cgs) = [strike]0[/strike].666 x 10^-7 cm^3/g-s^2 (dragon)
G's (cgs) = 6.66 x 10^-8 cm^3/g-s^2 (proper)
G's (cgs) = 66.6 x 10^-9 cm^3/g-s^2 (books)
G's (cgs) = 666. x 10^-10 cm^3/g-s^2 (beast)
...deadly wound healed.

1986-2006 rounded value
G's (cgs) = [strike]0[/strike].667 x 10^-7 cm^3/g-s^2 (dragon)
G's (cgs) = 6.67 x 10^-8 cm^3/g-s^2 (proper)
G's (cgs) = 66.7 x 10^-9 cm^3/g-s^2 (books)
G's (cgs) = 667. x 10^-10 cm^3/g-s^2 (beast)
...deadly wound healed.

1986-2006 rounded value
G's (SI) = [strike]0[/strike].667 x 10^-7 m^3/kg-s^2 (dragon)
G's (SI) = 6.67 x 10^-8 m^3/kg-s^2 (proper)
G's (SI) = 66.7 x 10^-9 m^3/kg-s^2 (books)
G's (SI) = 667. x 10^-10 m^3/kg-s^2 (beast)
...deadly wound healed.

1986-2006 rounded value
G's (SI) = [strike]0[/strike].667 x 10^-7 N-m^2/kg^2 (dragon)
G's (SI) = 6.67 x 10^-8 N-m^2/kg^2 (proper)
G's (SI) = 66.7 x 10^-9 N-m^2/kg^2 (books)
G's (SI) = 667. x 10^-10 N-m^2/kg^2 (beast)
...deadly wound healed.

Hope this helped, if not whatever.

OK, whatever.