Jehovah's Witnesses Bible

[Ross]

[onewithhim]

His 'fingers' His 'hands' His 'active force'. It's trying to describe something in human terms that we can't even begin to truly understand how God's power works. To just say 'spirit' or 'wind' doesn't make a good word picture of what was happening on the Earth as it was being created. I don't understand why Gen 1:2 is being cherry picked for proof-texting the trinity anyway.

It isn't, and this wasn't the purpose of my thread. But that is why your translators added spurious words that no one else has ever translated from the Hebrew. It's almost as bad as your KJV example of 1st John 5:7.

This has been cherry picked to demonstrate that your official Jehovah's Witness doctrine on the Holy Spirit, the Spirit of God, was injected into the second verse of the Bible.

God's own words from the Hebrew manuscripts: 'The Spirit of God' don't give a good enough picture of your faith's beliefs, so they had to be changed and corrected.

You need to do a lot more research before you continue to denigrate JWs and the NWT. Your problems with them are fatuous and destructive to peace and truth. BTW, I John 5:7 has been taken out of many versions of the Bible because scholars know it is spurious. No one is cherry picking anything here. We are commenting with the spirit of truth. (John 4:23)

Really??

Exactly what Bibles are you thinking of that removed the verse from their versions? I ask because from just one source alone I counted 62 Bibles that currently include I John 5:7. Plus the New World Translation (2013 Revision) Bible.

I John 5:7 (NWT)
7 For there are three witness bearers:

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I picked up three sources of what I was talking about, and this is what I see:

"7)For there are three that testify: 8)the Spirit and the water and the blood: and the three are in agreement." New American Standard Bible

"7)So we have a threefold testimony, 8)from the spirit, the water and the blood, and all three agree." 21st Century New Testament

"7)For there are three witness bearers, 8)the spirit and the water and the blood, and the three are in agreement." New World Translation

I could go on. This rendering is in agreement with the Greek texts by C. Tischendorf (1872); Westcott and Hort (1881); Augustinus (1964); Jose Maria Bover (1968); United Bible Societies (1975); Nestle-Aland (1979). After "witness bearers" the cursive mss No 61 (16th century) and no.629 (in Latin and Greek, 14th to 15th century) and Vg add the words: "in heaven, the Father the Word and the holy spirit; and these three are one." So there is nothing to prove a trinity where there are three personages of equal power and godship.

[LittleNipper]

His 'fingers' His 'hands' His 'active force'. It's trying to describe something in human terms that we can't even begin to truly understand how God's power works. To just say 'spirit' or 'wind' doesn't make a good word picture of what was happening on the Earth as it was being created. I don't understand why Gen 1:2 is being cherry picked for proof-texting the trinity anyway.

It isn't, and this wasn't the purpose of my thread. But that is why your translators added spurious words that no one else has ever translated from the Hebrew. It's almost as bad as your KJV example of 1st John 5:7.

This has been cherry picked to demonstrate that your official Jehovah's Witness doctrine on the Holy Spirit, the Spirit of God, was injected into the second verse of the Bible.

God's own words from the Hebrew manuscripts: 'The Spirit of God' don't give a good enough picture of your faith's beliefs, so they had to be changed and corrected.

You need to do a lot more research before you continue to denigrate JWs and the NWT. Your problems with them are fatuous and destructive to peace and truth. BTW, I John 5:7 has been taken out of many versions of the Bible because scholars know it is spurious. No one is cherry picking anything here. We are commenting with the spirit of truth. (John 4:23)

Really??

Exactly what Bibles are you thinking of that removed the verse from their versions? I ask because from just one source alone I counted 62 Bibles that currently include I John 5:7. Plus the New World Translation (2013 Revision) Bible.

I John 5:7 (NWT)
7 For there are three witness bearers:

.

I picked up three sources of what I was talking about, and this is what I see:

"7)For there are three that testify: 8)the Spirit and the water and the blood: and the three are in agreement." New American Standard Bible

"7)So we have a threefold testimony, 8)from the spirit, the water and the blood, and all three agree." 21st Century New Testament

"7)For there are three witness bearers, 8)the spirit and the water and the blood, and the three are in agreement." New World Translation

I could go on. This rendering is in agreement with the Greek texts by C. Tischendorf (1872); Westcott and Hort (1881); Augustinus (1964); Jose Maria Bover (1968); United Bible Societies (1975); Nestle-Aland (1979). After "witness bearers" the cursive mss No 61 (16th century) and no.629 (in Latin and Greek, 14th to 15th century) and Vg add the words: "in heaven, the Father the Word and the holy spirit; and these three are one." So there is nothing to prove a trinity where there are three personages of equal power and godship.

Only GOD can forgive sin. Is this a true or false statement?

[JehovahsWitness]

[LittleNipper]

[JehovahsWitness]

[LittleNipper]

[William]

[Replying to LittleNipper in post #46]

Only GOD can forgive anyone of sin. JESUS forgave sin. Therefore JESUS is indeed GOD.

Therefore, since we too can forgive others, we too are indeed GOD.

We can be kind to each other, tender, forgiving one another, even as God has forgiven us. We can forgive, and be forgiven.
Love prospers when faults are forgiven. Not sometimes, but always.
We each can forgive others, and we each also are forgiven.

[JehovahsWitness]

[Overcomer]

[onewithhim]

His 'fingers' His 'hands' His 'active force'. It's trying to describe something in human terms that we can't even begin to truly understand how God's power works. To just say 'spirit' or 'wind' doesn't make a good word picture of what was happening on the Earth as it was being created. I don't understand why Gen 1:2 is being cherry picked for proof-texting the trinity anyway.

It isn't, and this wasn't the purpose of my thread. But that is why your translators added spurious words that no one else has ever translated from the Hebrew. It's almost as bad as your KJV example of 1st John 5:7.

This has been cherry picked to demonstrate that your official Jehovah's Witness doctrine on the Holy Spirit, the Spirit of God, was injected into the second verse of the Bible.

God's own words from the Hebrew manuscripts: 'The Spirit of God' don't give a good enough picture of your faith's beliefs, so they had to be changed and corrected.

You need to do a lot more research before you continue to denigrate JWs and the NWT. Your problems with them are fatuous and destructive to peace and truth. BTW, I John 5:7 has been taken out of many versions of the Bible because scholars know it is spurious. No one is cherry picking anything here. We are commenting with the spirit of truth. (John 4:23)

Really??

Exactly what Bibles are you thinking of that removed the verse from their versions? I ask because from just one source alone I counted 62 Bibles that currently include I John 5:7. Plus the New World Translation (2013 Revision) Bible.

I John 5:7 (NWT)
7 For there are three witness bearers:

.

I picked up three sources of what I was talking about, and this is what I see:

"7)For there are three that testify: 8)the Spirit and the water and the blood: and the three are in agreement." New American Standard Bible

"7)So we have a threefold testimony, 8)from the spirit, the water and the blood, and all three agree." 21st Century New Testament

"7)For there are three witness bearers, 8)the spirit and the water and the blood, and the three are in agreement." New World Translation

I could go on. This rendering is in agreement with the Greek texts by C. Tischendorf (1872); Westcott and Hort (1881); Augustinus (1964); Jose Maria Bover (1968); United Bible Societies (1975); Nestle-Aland (1979). After "witness bearers" the cursive mss No 61 (16th century) and no.629 (in Latin and Greek, 14th to 15th century) and Vg add the words: "in heaven, the Father the Word and the holy spirit; and these three are one." So there is nothing to prove a trinity where there are three personages of equal power and godship.

Only GOD can forgive sin. Is this a true or false statement?

Ultimately it is God who can forgive sins, but also the Person (His Son) that He designates to forgive sins. God, YHWH, has designated many things for the Son to do. Still, the power and authority given comes from YHWH. The Son could do nothing without the Father's permission and His designations.

"Therefore Jesus answered and was saying to them, 'Truly, truly, I say to you, the Son can do nothing of himself, unless it is something he sees the Father doing: for whatever the Father does, these things the Son also does in like manner.'" (John 5:19, NASB)