One verse condems the Watchtower.

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One verse condems the Watchtower.

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In the Watchtower's first three publications, or copywrites of the Bible, 1961, 1971, and in 1984, they claimed that they "Rendered from the Original Languages. And this was done by the New World Bible Translation Committee".

No one knows who was in this committee, nor does anyone know the qualifications of any of these people, so we will call them the unknowns. And they expect people to follow these unknowns with blind trust.

Up until 1960, the Jehovah's Witnesses used the King James Bible, but their teachings hit too many brick walls. So, they rewrote the Bible to satisfy their false doctrines. Now, from their own Bible are the words that condemn them and their organization.

New World Translation 1981 edition, Revelation 22:18, "I am bearing witness to everyone that hears the words of the prophecy of this scroll: If anyone makes an addition to these things, God will add to him the plagues that are written in this scroll;"

Strong words for false prophets.
In their 1984 edition, they wrote in Colossians 1:16, speaking of Jesus Christ, the Son of God: "because by means of him all (other) things were created in the heavens and upon the earth, the things visible and the things invisible, no matter whether they are thrones, or lordships, or governments or authorities. All (other) things have been created through him and for him."

Twice, they added in brackets the word (other), implying that Jesus was created first, and then he created all other things. Here, they were honest by acknowledging they added the word (other) twice in brackets. In their latest edition of the N.W.T., published in 2013, the Watchtower went a step further and got in the face of their God. They set aside His warning about (intentionally) adding words. In the 2013 edition, they claim, this new Bible was "Rendered from the (same) original languages." But they intentionally lied and removed the brackets from (other) and made it a part of God's original words, deceiving their own, and attempting to deceive everyone they come in contact with.

As far as I am concerned, they intend to deceive, so they change God's words into a lie, then claim to be "Holier than thou" by putting themselves back under strict rules." Don't believe me, check it out for yourself.

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Re: One verse condems the Watchtower.

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Should Jesus really be considered to be God because he was symbolically “named” Immanuel (Is. 7:14; Mt. 1:23) which means “God [is] with us”? No more so than Gabriel was calling himself God when he visited Mary and declared: “The Lord is with thee” - Luke 1:28. Nor did Zacharias mean that John the Baptizer (his new son) was actually God when he was asked, “I wonder what this child [John] will turn out to be?”, and he answered, “Praise the Lord, the God of Israel, for he has come to visit his people and has redeemed them.” - Luke 1:66-68, LB.

Gabriel and Zacharias (Zechariah) meant exactly what Israelites have meant throughout thousands of years when saying “God is with us” and similar statements. They meant “God has favored us” or “God is helping us”! - Gen. 21:22; Ex. 18:19; Nu. 23:21; josh. 1:9; 1 Chron. 17:2; 2 chron. 1:1; 35:21; ezra 1:3; is. 8:10. And Joshua 1:17; 1 Samuel 10:7; 2 Chron. 15:2-4, 9 (cf., Jer. 1:8; Haggai 1:13).[3] But if we insist on trinitarian-type “proof,” then Gabriel must have meant that he (Gabriel) is God! And Zacharias (whose own name means ‘Jehovah is renowned’ - p. 678, TDOTB) must have meant that John the Baptizer is God! – Also see 1 Sam. 17:37; 2 Sam. 14:17; 1 Ki. 8:57; 1 Chron. 17:2; 22:18; 2 Chron. 36:23; Is. 41:10; Amos 5:14; Zech 8:23.

This understanding is seen throughout the Bible.[Replying to placebofactor in post #40]

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Re: One verse condems the Watchtower.

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tygger2 wrote: Thu Jul 03, 2025 5:03 pm Should Jesus really be considered to be God because he was symbolically “named” Immanuel (Is. 7:14; Mt. 1:23) which means “God [is] with us”? No more so than Gabriel was calling himself God when he visited Mary and declared: “The Lord is with thee” - Luke 1:28. Nor did Zacharias mean that John the Baptizer (his new son) was actually God when he was asked, “I wonder what this child [John] will turn out to be?”, and he answered, “Praise the Lord, the God of Israel, for he has come to visit his people and has redeemed them.” - Luke 1:66-68, LB.

Gabriel and Zacharias (Zechariah) meant exactly what Israelites have meant throughout thousands of years when saying “God is with us” and similar statements. They meant “God has favored us” or “God is helping us”! - Gen. 21:22; Ex. 18:19; Nu. 23:21; josh. 1:9; 1 Chron. 17:2; 2 chron. 1:1; 35:21; ezra 1:3; is. 8:10. And Joshua 1:17; 1 Samuel 10:7; 2 Chron. 15:2-4, 9 (cf., Jer. 1:8; Haggai 1:13).[3] But if we insist on trinitarian-type “proof,” then Gabriel must have meant that he (Gabriel) is God! And Zacharias (whose own name means ‘Jehovah is renowned’ - p. 678, TDOTB) must have meant that John the Baptizer is God! – Also see 1 Sam. 17:37; 2 Sam. 14:17; 1 Ki. 8:57; 1 Chron. 17:2; 22:18; 2 Chron. 36:23; Is. 41:10; Amos 5:14; Zech 8:23.

This understanding is seen throughout the Bible.[Replying to placebofactor in post #40]
No, it's because it's the attributes that go along with the title of being called God; and Jesus fulfills every one of them, Gabriel, NO! You should stop trying to confuse these verses. I have no idea why you people do that. Luke is clear, Gabriel was sent by God to deliver a message, nothing else. Jesus' name, Immanuel, implying that the Son to be given, the seed that was implanted in Mary by the Holy Spirit, is Jesus, making him God with us. Seed in Greek is "Sperma" as in English sperm. sperm comes from men, God is a man, I can't explain how sperma, or the seed, comes from God, and neither can anyone else. What was that seed? we know it had life when implanted in Mary because it grew into a child. I believe it was the Son of God who came down from heaven, took on the form of the implanted seed, and WALLA, "God is with us." He grew into a man, died, and then returned to the glory he descended from.

This is supported by 1 Timothy 3:16, K.J.B.: "God was manifest in the flesh." And John 1:1, "The Word was God." And Revelation 1:10 when Jesus spoke and said, "I amAlpha and Omega, ---- the Almighty." And when Isaiah 9:6 tells us the one coming from the Father is "God."

And I don't want to hear all that nonsense, "that Bible is wrong, the translators got it wrong, they don't have it right, or that word doesn't mean that." No, it's all correct, only the skeptics and cults have it wrong, and the greedy publishers that sell OTHER Bibles for money have it wrong. Anyway, that's my take and the opinion of billions of others.

P.S. Thanks for your comments, have a happy July 4th, stay safe.

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