If god created...

[bernee51]

OK theists you reckon god did all the creating.

Did he set things in motion e.g. the Big Bang and then let evolution take over?

Or is he still creating as we trundle along?

Or did he stop his business of creating sometime between now and the Big Bang?

These would be the only three options as far as I can tell (other than him not existing at all)

So which is it?

[InTheFlesh]

Joey,
I disagree with you. The dictionary definition fits the bible definition. Mortal means that we are subject to death. So was Christ. His death was predicted in the Old Testament. He was born to die! Mortal does not define what will happen to the body once it is dead. It is dead. It is mortal.

Great, so we see what it means to be mortal. Now let's look at what it means to be immortal...
From : Dictionary.com
1. not mortal; not liable or subject to death; undying: our immortal souls.
2. remembered or celebrated through all time: the immortal words of Lincoln.
3. not liable to perish or decay; imperishable; everlasting.
4..........
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Please, when discussing two words, do get the definitions of both.

To claim that Jesus rose from the dead is to claim he was never really dead to begin with, what with death being final and all. Jesus was only subject to death in the sense that he was comatose, immobile, or something other than death.

I understand both definitions.
It is sown a natural body. (mortal)
It is raised a spiritual body. (immortal)

Don't you understand that we need to die to be born again?
Therefore we know that we are mortal,
but we believe change is coming.

[Ben Masada]

OK theists you reckon god did all the creating.

Did he set things in motion e.g. the Big Bang and then let evolution take over?

Or is he still creating as we trundle along?

Or did he stop his business of creating sometime between now and the Big Bang?

These would be the only three options as far as I can tell (other than him not existing at all)

So which is it?

I am of the opinion that God creates through Evolution. But then again, the Scientists have discovered that the Universe expands. Who will guarantee that's
not God at His work of Creation?

Once Albert Einstein was asked if he believed in God. His answer was: "All my life
is to try to catch God at His work of Creation." It means that, if Einstein was not
joking, God is still creating.

Ben

[McCulloch]

I am of the opinion that God creates through Evolution. But then again, the Scientists have discovered that the Universe expands. Who will guarantee that's not God at His work of Creation?

But why postulate God at all?

Once Albert Einstein was asked if he believed in God. His answer was: "All my life is to try to catch God at His work of Creation." It means that, if Einstein was not joking, God is still creating.

Einstein also made it crystal clear that he did not believe in the classic theist God.

[Ben Masada]

I am of the opinion that God creates through Evolution. But then again, the Scientists have discovered that the Universe expands. Who will guarantee that's not God at His work of Creation?

But why postulate God at all?

Once Albert Einstein was asked if he believed in God. His answer was: "All my life is to try to catch God at His work of Creation." It means that, if Einstein was not joking, God is still creating.

Einstein also made it crystal clear that he did not believe in the classic theist God.

What am I going to postulate, the "Big Bang?" Let's be serious! If Creation gives off the idea of a childhood game, what to say of the "Big Bang?"

How do you possibly know what was going on in Einstein's mind when he said he didn't believe in the classic Theist God? You were expected to be a little more
analytic and consider the circumstances why he said that. This is one thing. The other would be that he knew from natural evidences. When one knows, he does not have to believe.

And last but not least, he said, "the classic Theist God." He could be thinking about the classic Theism of the anthropomorphic god of religions. That's the classic consensus of God. A God with human attributes. The God of Einstein was the same as the God of Moses Maimonides and if you allow me a little lack of modesty, the same as mine.

Ben

[McCulloch]

I am of the opinion that God creates through Evolution. But then again, the Scientists have discovered that the Universe expands. Who will guarantee that's not God at His work of Creation?

But why postulate God at all?

Once Albert Einstein was asked if he believed in God. His answer was: "All my life is to try to catch God at His work of Creation." It means that, if Einstein was not joking, God is still creating.

Einstein also made it crystal clear that he did not believe in the classic theist God.

What am I going to postulate, the "Big Bang?" Let's be serious! If Creation gives off the idea of a childhood game, what to say of the "Big Bang?"

The consensus of modern cosmologists popularly but misleadingly called "Big Bang" is the best answer based on the evidence we have.

How do you possibly know what was going on in Einstein's mind when he said he didn't believe in the classic Theist God? You were expected to be a little more analytic and consider the circumstances why he said that. This is one thing. The other would be that he knew from natural evidences. When one knows, he does not have to believe.

And last but not least, he said, "the classic Theist God." He could be thinking about the classic Theism of the anthropomorphic god of religions. That's the classic consensus of God. A God with human attributes. The God of Einstein was the same as the God of Moses Maimonides and if you allow me a little lack of modesty, the same as mine.

I was thinking that Einstein's God was closer to Spinoza's than Maimonides'. However, not being a mind reader, I must simply believe what he wrote himself on the matter.

[Ben Masada]

I am of the opinion that God creates through Evolution. But then again, the Scientists have discovered that the Universe expands. Who will guarantee that's not God at His work of Creation?

But why postulate God at all?

Once Albert Einstein was asked if he believed in God. His answer was: "All my life is to try to catch God at His work of Creation." It means that, if Einstein was not joking, God is still creating.

Einstein also made it crystal clear that he did not believe in the classic theist God.

What am I going to postulate, the "Big Bang?" Let's be serious! If Creation gives off the idea of a childhood game, what to say of the "Big Bang?"

The consensus of modern cosmologists popularly but misleadingly called "Big Bang" is the best answer based on the evidence we have.

+++Ben: - Very good! Where did the matter for the "Big Bang" come from? What
did cause the "Big Bang" to bang? The Universe is expanding. Are you going to tell
me that "Big Bangs" are banging everywhere?

How do you possibly know what was going on in Einstein's mind when he said he didn't believe in the classic Theist God? You were expected to be a little more analytic and consider the circumstances why he said that. This is one thing. The other would be that he knew from natural evidences. When one knows, he does not have to believe.

And last but not least, he said, "the classic Theist God." He could be thinking about the classic Theism of the anthropomorphic god of religions. That's the classic consensus of God. A God with human attributes. The God of Einstein was the same as the God of Moses Maimonides and if you allow me a little lack of modesty, the same as mine.

I was thinking that Einstein's God was closer to Spinoza's than Maimonides'. However, not being a mind reader, I must simply believe what he wrote himself on the matter.

+++Ben: - You don't have to be a mind reader. You have only to think. What about Spinoza? Nietsche said that Spinoza was a man intoxicated with God. If you
read him carefully, you will see that he was a Pantheist only on the surfice, which
is the only side people who can't think are able to see. Of course, the God of Einstein, Maimonides, Spinoza and Ben Masada is One and the same. Besides, weren't all of them Jewish?

Ben



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[Goat]

I am of the opinion that God creates through Evolution. But then again, the Scientists have discovered that the Universe expands. Who will guarantee that's not God at His work of Creation?

But why postulate God at all?

Once Albert Einstein was asked if he believed in God. His answer was: "All my life is to try to catch God at His work of Creation." It means that, if Einstein was not joking, God is still creating.

Einstein also made it crystal clear that he did not believe in the classic theist God.

What am I going to postulate, the "Big Bang?" Let's be serious! If Creation gives off the idea of a childhood game, what to say of the "Big Bang?"

How do you possibly know what was going on in Einstein's mind when he said he didn't believe in the classic Theist God? You were expected to be a little more
analytic and consider the circumstances why he said that. This is one thing. The other would be that he knew from natural evidences. When one knows, he does not have to believe.

And last but not least, he said, "the classic Theist God." He could be thinking about the classic Theism of the anthropomorphic god of religions. That's the classic consensus of God. A God with human attributes. The God of Einstein was the same as the God of Moses Maimonides and if you allow me a little lack of modesty, the same as mine.

Ben

Well, we have his statements and his letters. For example, the one that recently was discovered, and got sold
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/24668015/

The letter was written to philosopher Eric Gutkind in January 1954, a year before Einstein's death. In it, the Einstein said that "the word God is for me nothing more than the expression and product of human weaknesses, the Bible a collection of honorable but still primitive legends which are nevertheless pretty childish."

"For me," he added, "the Jewish religion like all other religions is an incarnation of the most childish superstitions."

[Ben Masada]

I am of the opinion that God creates through Evolution. But then again, the Scientists have discovered that the Universe expands. Who will guarantee that's not God at His work of Creation?

But why postulate God at all?

Once Albert Einstein was asked if he believed in God. His answer was: "All my life is to try to catch God at His work of Creation." It means that, if Einstein was not joking, God is still creating.

Einstein also made it crystal clear that he did not believe in the classic theist God.

What am I going to postulate, the "Big Bang?" Let's be serious! If Creation gives off the idea of a childhood game, what to say of the "Big Bang?"

How do you possibly know what was going on in Einstein's mind when he said he didn't believe in the classic Theist God? You were expected to be a little more
analytic and consider the circumstances why he said that. This is one thing. The other would be that he knew from natural evidences. When one knows, he does not have to believe.

And last but not least, he said, "the classic Theist God." He could be thinking about the classic Theism of the anthropomorphic god of religions. That's the classic consensus of God. A God with human attributes. The God of Einstein was the same as the God of Moses Maimonides and if you allow me a little lack of modesty, the same as mine.

Ben

Well, we have his statements and his letters. For example, the one that recently was discovered, and got sold
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/24668015/

The letter was written to philosopher Eric Gutkind in January 1954, a year before Einstein's death. In it, the Einstein said that "the word God is for me nothing more than the expression and product of human weaknesses, the Bible a collection of honorable but still primitive legends which are nevertheless pretty childish."

"For me," he added, "the Jewish religion like all other religions is an incarnation of the most childish superstitions."

I read the link about the letter of Einstein. I was elated, even if it were a fraud. It
only confirms our position: Einstein, Spinoza, Maimonides and Ben Masada.

I too believe in that spiritual marrow that permeates the Universe as it expands.
Likewise, I also believe that all religions are childish, and faith does more harm than good.

Ben