Homosexual Marriage

[Rationalskeptic]

This topic is devoted to the question: Should we legally recognize gay marriage?

Some people think that gays are bad. Others think that they are not necessarily bad. Some people think that gay marriage is "morally wrong," others think that it is not wrong. Some think that giving gays equal rights will incourage an inferior institution. Others disagree. Some people think that the law should discourage that which they think is morally wrong, even when it does not involve agressing against the rights of others. Others disagree. Some think that there should be no gay marriage because gays are "disgusting." Others find that this does not matter. Some think that making laws protecting gays will add budgetary problems to our state and federal governments, and will hurt the rights of non-gay individuals. Others either disagree that gay marriage does, or that this is important. Some think that gay marriage should not be a legal status because it hurts "marriage." Others think that this is silly.

So what do you think on this controvercy. I have shown you most of what this issue covers. Have a fun debate.

[Crazy Ivan]

It should not be legal because polygamy isnt legal.

What does "polygamy" have to do with "homosexuality"?

[Kuan]

It should not be legal because polygamy isnt legal.

What does "polygamy" have to do with "homosexuality"?

They are both forms of marriage, if gay marriage is legal why cant polygamy be legal?

(Of course for both, they must be between consenting adults.)

[TheLibertarian]

It should not be legal because polygamy isnt legal.

What does "polygamy" have to do with "homosexuality"?

They are both forms of marriage, if gay marriage is legal why cant polygamy be legal?

(Of course for both, they must be between consenting adults.)

Bear in mind that it wasn't homosexuals who denied polygamy to the Mormons, but your fellow Christians:

Disputes between the Mormon inhabitants and some in the government intensified after The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints practice of polygamy became known. The polygamous practices of the Mormons, which were made public in 1854, would be one of the major reasons Utah was denied statehood until almost 50 years after the Mormons had entered the area.
After news of their polygamous practices spread, the members of the LDS Church were quickly viewed by some as un-American and "rebellious". In 1857, after news of a false rebellion spread, President James Buchanan sent troops on the "Utah expedition" to quell the supposed rebellion and to replace Brigham Young as territorial governor with Alfred Cumming. Brigham Young was never told he was being replaced or why President Buchanan thought he needed the U.S. Army to enforce a simple office change. The resulting non-conflict is known as the Utah War or Buchanan's Blunder.

Your people were once viewed as anti-American for their marriage practices, and surrendered those practices just to gain statehood. The Mormons ought to be sympathetic to gay marriage, not hostile to it.

[Crazy Ivan]

It should not be legal because polygamy isnt legal.

What does "polygamy" have to do with "homosexuality"?

They are both forms of marriage, if gay marriage is legal why cant polygamy be legal?

(Of course for both, they must be between consenting adults.)

Polygamy is a form of marriage. Homosexuality is a sexual orientation. What you're saying makes as much sense as saying "heterosexual marriage should be illegal because polygamy is illegal". That makes just as much sense because neither "heterosexual" nor "homosexual" are "forms of marriage". They're the sexual orientations of the people getting married.

[Ooberman]

It should not be legal because polygamy isnt legal.

What does "polygamy" have to do with "homosexuality"?

They are both forms of marriage, if gay marriage is legal why cant polygamy be legal?

(Of course for both, they must be between consenting adults.)

They are different forms of marriage. One form is two people marrying, the other is more than 2 people.

Seriously, though, other than a religious reason, why shouldn't gays be allowed to marry?

Let's do a thought experiment.

There is a planet in another galaxy and there are Beings that are very similar to humans, but they aren't human - somehow, doesn't matter in what way, but by all other accounts they act, think and seem just like human beings.

There are two sexes: male and female.

What is your reason they should not allow gay marriage?

[Goat]

I changed my mind im taking a position. Gay marriage shoud not be allowed. Just as polygamy is illegal too.

Oh, the irony.

Is that supposed to mean something?!

Just kidding, yeah I know, it is ironic.

And, frankly, I think the LDS ought to be allowed to practice whatever damn form of marriage, i.e. contract law, it sees fit.

If that was true then I wouldnt be able to argue against gay marriage then would I?

To Goat: Sorry, misphrase. It should not be legal because polygamy isnt legal.

Why should that make a difference? How would you handle inheritence and divorces with polygamy verses a single person?

[Kuan]

It should not be legal because polygamy isnt legal.

What does "polygamy" have to do with "homosexuality"?

They are both forms of marriage, if gay marriage is legal why cant polygamy be legal?

(Of course for both, they must be between consenting adults.)

They are different forms of marriage. One form is two people marrying, the other is more than 2 people.

Seriously, though, other than a religious reason, why shouldn't gays be allowed to marry?

Let's do a thought experiment.

There is a planet in another galaxy and there are Beings that are very similar to humans, but they aren't human - somehow, doesn't matter in what way, but by all other accounts they act, think and seem just like human beings.

There are two sexes: male and female.

What is your reason they should not allow gay marriage?

They are not similar, but what I mean is if one form of marriage that is offensive to some is illegal, then why should another form of marriage that is offensive to some be legal?

[TheLibertarian]

It should not be legal because polygamy isnt legal.

What does "polygamy" have to do with "homosexuality"?

They are both forms of marriage, if gay marriage is legal why cant polygamy be legal?

(Of course for both, they must be between consenting adults.)

They are different forms of marriage. One form is two people marrying, the other is more than 2 people.

Seriously, though, other than a religious reason, why shouldn't gays be allowed to marry?

Let's do a thought experiment.

There is a planet in another galaxy and there are Beings that are very similar to humans, but they aren't human - somehow, doesn't matter in what way, but by all other accounts they act, think and seem just like human beings.

There are two sexes: male and female.

What is your reason they should not allow gay marriage?

They are not similar, but what I mean is if one form of marriage that is offensive to some is illegal, then why should another form of marriage that is offensive to some be legal?

So the obvious answer is that both ought to be legal, and those who are "offended" by either need to grow a pair.

[Kuan]

It should not be legal because polygamy isnt legal.

What does "polygamy" have to do with "homosexuality"?

They are both forms of marriage, if gay marriage is legal why cant polygamy be legal?

(Of course for both, they must be between consenting adults.)

They are different forms of marriage. One form is two people marrying, the other is more than 2 people.

Seriously, though, other than a religious reason, why shouldn't gays be allowed to marry?

Let's do a thought experiment.

There is a planet in another galaxy and there are Beings that are very similar to humans, but they aren't human - somehow, doesn't matter in what way, but by all other accounts they act, think and seem just like human beings.

There are two sexes: male and female.

What is your reason they should not allow gay marriage?

They are not similar, but what I mean is if one form of marriage that is offensive to some is illegal, then why should another form of marriage that is offensive to some be legal?

So the obvious answer is that both ought to be legal, and those who are "offended" by either need to grow a pair.

thats what I mean, but i doubt if the LDS church would even go back to practicing polygamy if it was legal, I could be wrong though.

[TheLibertarian]

It should not be legal because polygamy isnt legal.

What does "polygamy" have to do with "homosexuality"?

They are both forms of marriage, if gay marriage is legal why cant polygamy be legal?

(Of course for both, they must be between consenting adults.)

They are different forms of marriage. One form is two people marrying, the other is more than 2 people.

Seriously, though, other than a religious reason, why shouldn't gays be allowed to marry?

Let's do a thought experiment.

There is a planet in another galaxy and there are Beings that are very similar to humans, but they aren't human - somehow, doesn't matter in what way, but by all other accounts they act, think and seem just like human beings.

There are two sexes: male and female.

What is your reason they should not allow gay marriage?

They are not similar, but what I mean is if one form of marriage that is offensive to some is illegal, then why should another form of marriage that is offensive to some be legal?

So the obvious answer is that both ought to be legal, and those who are "offended" by either need to grow a pair.

thats what I mean, but i doubt if the LDS church would even go back to practicing polygamy if it was legal, I could be wrong though.

Some would, some won't. Fundamentalists and Short Creekers and other loony sects would probably be more open to it, which is probably safer for the women -- where it's in the daylight, there are fewer shadows to hide abuse in.

Something like thirty Mormon-derived sects still practice polygamy anyway. Far better that it's in the open than done in secrecy.