Muslim claims of scientific accuracy in the Quran

[OnceConvinced]

In another thread:

Actually look through the Book(it's online I provide the link below lol) before you discredit it. I know the Title may throw you off, and you'll probably click the exit right then and there... but go through it.. check the table of contents and see whats most interesting...

http://www.sunnahonline.com/ilm/quran/qms.pdf

*~In reality what is in it could not have been known 1,400 years ago. So it proves God exists... and if you don't think so, well it lessens the chances that he doesn't... If you think one is vague go on to the next one, I assure you most of the verses are direct statements that meet up with what is now known.

Does this document prove that the Quran contains knowledge of the world that primitive man couldn't possibly have known? Does it prove that Allah is the one true God? Please justify your response.

[Wyvern]

Wyvern, where are the charges against him? fatwa any1 can issue, but what are the charges? you have to show the charges against him, like following..

1- He is giving different teaching than ALLAH
2- He is giving different teaching as of Prophet Muhammad (pbuh), and what are those teachings
3- If he is bringing hatred among muslims or non-muslims?

Have you not been reading my posts again? The charges are listed in my previous post. Plus of course in him making statements agreeing with al qaeda puts him in violation of point number three of yours.

[Scotracer]

MOUNTAINS ARE LIKE PEGS (STAKES)

In Geology, the phenomenon of folding is a recently discovered fact.
Folding is responsible for the formation of mountain ranges. The earths
crust, on which we live, is like a solid shell, while the deeper layers are hot
and fluid, and thus inhospitable to any form of life. It is also known that the
stability of the mountains is linked to the phenomenon of folding, for it was
the folds that were to provide foundations for the reliefs that constitute the
mountains. Geologists tell us that the radius of the Earth is about 3,750 miles
and the crust on which we live is very thin, ranging between 1 to 30 miles.
Since the crust is thin, it has a high possibility of shaking. Mountains act like
stakes or tent pegs that hold the earths crust and give it stability. The Quraan
contains exactly such a description in the following verse: Have We not
made The earth as a wide Expanse, And the mountains as pegs? [Al-
Quraan 78:6-7]
The word awtad means stakes or pegs (like those used to anchor a tent); they
are the deep foundations of geological folds. A book named Earth is
considered as a basic reference textbook on geology in many universities
around the world. One of the authors of this book is Frank Press, who was the
President of the Academy of Sciences in the USA for 12 years and was the
Science Advisor to former US President Jimmy Carter. In this book he
illustrates the mountain in a wedge-shape and the mountain itself as a small
part of the whole, whose root is deeply entrenched in the ground.5 According
to Dr. Press, the mountains play an important role in stabilizing the crust of
the earth.
The Quraan clearly mentions the function of the mountains in preventing the
earth from shaking:
And We have set on the earth Mountains standing firm, Lest it should shake with them. [Al-Quraan 21:31]

5 Earth, Press and Siever, p. 435. Also see Earth Science, Tarbuck and Lutgens,
p. 157.

MOUNTAINS FIRMLY FIXED
The surface of the earth is broken into many rigid plates that are about 100
km in thickness. These plates float on a partially molten region called
aesthenosphere. Mountain formations occur at the boundary of the plates. The
earths crust is 5 km thick below oceans, about 35 km thick below flat
continental surfaces and almost 80 km thick below great mountain ranges.
These are the strong foundations on which mountains stand. The Quraan also
speaks about the strong mountain foundations in the following verse: And
the mountains Hath He firmly fixed. [Al-Quraan 79:32] 6

6 A similar message is contained in the Quran in 88:19, 31:10 and 16:15

Fixed means:

1. Firmly in position; stationary.
2. Determined; established; set: at a fixed time; a fixed price.
3. Not subject to change or variation; constant: pensioners on a fixed income.
4. Chemistry
a. Not readily evaporating; nonvolatile.
b. Being in a stable, combined form: fixed nitrogen.
5.
a. Firmly, often dogmatically held: fixed beliefs.
b. Persistently occurring in the mind; obsessive: a fixed, delusive notion.
6. Supplied, especially with funds or needs. Often used in combination: a well-fixed bachelor.
7. Illegally prearranged as to outcome: a fixed election.

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/fixed

which is wrong since mountains aren't fixed in either their longitudinal/lateral position on the earth or their height. The Qu'ran is wrong on this point.

On the other I'd need to look in to it but it seems to be a given - any large mass acts like a damper.

[TrueReligion]

Wyvern, where are the charges against him? fatwa any1 can issue, but what are the charges? you have to show the charges against him, like following..

1- He is giving different teaching than ALLAH
2- He is giving different teaching as of Prophet Muhammad (pbuh), and what are those teachings
3- If he is bringing hatred among muslims or non-muslims?

Have you not been reading my posts again? The charges are listed in my previous post. Plus of course in him making statements agreeing with al qaeda puts him in violation of point number three of yours.

The charges you wrote, are not understandable, and its not in English, further non of those charges can be kept under fatwa section. as fatwa is related to religious issue, so you have to provide the charges against him
Also, wats the claim he is supporting Al-Qaeda? is he sending fund? is he fighting along them? wats the source and evidence Wyvern?

[TrueReligion]

MOUNTAINS ARE LIKE PEGS (STAKES)

In Geology, the phenomenon of folding is a recently discovered fact.
Folding is responsible for the formation of mountain ranges. The earths
crust, on which we live, is like a solid shell, while the deeper layers are hot
and fluid, and thus inhospitable to any form of life. It is also known that the
stability of the mountains is linked to the phenomenon of folding, for it was
the folds that were to provide foundations for the reliefs that constitute the
mountains. Geologists tell us that the radius of the Earth is about 3,750 miles
and the crust on which we live is very thin, ranging between 1 to 30 miles.
Since the crust is thin, it has a high possibility of shaking. Mountains act like
stakes or tent pegs that hold the earths crust and give it stability. The Quraan
contains exactly such a description in the following verse: Have We not
made The earth as a wide Expanse, And the mountains as pegs? [Al-
Quraan 78:6-7]
The word awtad means stakes or pegs (like those used to anchor a tent); they
are the deep foundations of geological folds. A book named Earth is
considered as a basic reference textbook on geology in many universities
around the world. One of the authors of this book is Frank Press, who was the
President of the Academy of Sciences in the USA for 12 years and was the
Science Advisor to former US President Jimmy Carter. In this book he
illustrates the mountain in a wedge-shape and the mountain itself as a small
part of the whole, whose root is deeply entrenched in the ground.5 According
to Dr. Press, the mountains play an important role in stabilizing the crust of
the earth.
The Quraan clearly mentions the function of the mountains in preventing the
earth from shaking:
And We have set on the earth Mountains standing firm, Lest it should shake with them. [Al-Quraan 21:31]

5 Earth, Press and Siever, p. 435. Also see Earth Science, Tarbuck and Lutgens,
p. 157.

MOUNTAINS FIRMLY FIXED
The surface of the earth is broken into many rigid plates that are about 100
km in thickness. These plates float on a partially molten region called
aesthenosphere. Mountain formations occur at the boundary of the plates. The
earths crust is 5 km thick below oceans, about 35 km thick below flat
continental surfaces and almost 80 km thick below great mountain ranges.
These are the strong foundations on which mountains stand. The Quraan also
speaks about the strong mountain foundations in the following verse: And
the mountains Hath He firmly fixed. [Al-Quraan 79:32] 6

6 A similar message is contained in the Quran in 88:19, 31:10 and 16:15

Fixed means:

1. Firmly in position; stationary.
2. Determined; established; set: at a fixed time; a fixed price.
3. Not subject to change or variation; constant: pensioners on a fixed income.
4. Chemistry
a. Not readily evaporating; nonvolatile.
b. Being in a stable, combined form: fixed nitrogen.
5.
a. Firmly, often dogmatically held: fixed beliefs.
b. Persistently occurring in the mind; obsessive: a fixed, delusive notion.
6. Supplied, especially with funds or needs. Often used in combination: a well-fixed bachelor.
7. Illegally prearranged as to outcome: a fixed election.

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/fixed

which is wrong since mountains aren't fixed in either their longitudinal/lateral position on the earth or their height. The Qu'ran is wrong on this point.

On the other I'd need to look in to it but it seems to be a given - any large mass acts like a damper.

I think you didnt read the article, and the source provided,
Further you are denying geology, that Mountains have more deeper roots inside the earth, which exactly is Quran stating, so nowhere is Quran wrong, as you have;nt read the article, you made the wrong conclusion my friend.

[Wyvern]

Wyvern, where are the charges against him? fatwa any1 can issue, but what are the charges? you have to show the charges against him, like following..

1- He is giving different teaching than ALLAH
2- He is giving different teaching as of Prophet Muhammad (pbuh), and what are those teachings
3- If he is bringing hatred among muslims or non-muslims?

Have you not been reading my posts again? The charges are listed in my previous post. Plus of course in him making statements agreeing with al qaeda puts him in violation of point number three of yours.

The charges you wrote, are not understandable, and its not in English, further non of those charges can be kept under fatwa section. as fatwa is related to religious issue, so you have to provide the charges against him
Also, wats the claim he is supporting Al-Qaeda? is he sending fund? is he fighting along them? wats the source and evidence Wyvern?

Wait a minute, you say fatwas can only be issued for religious issues but you have said that causing hatred among muslims or non-muslims would be a reason for issuing a fatwa.
Here again are the reasons given for the fatwa.

In November 2008, a fatwa was issued against Zakir Naik by Islamic scholars in Lucknow India for supporting Osama Bin Laden and glorifying Yazeed, the 'killer' of Imam Hussain, a prominent figure in Shia Islam. [29] Lucknow's shahar qazi Mufti Abul Irfan Mian Firangi Mahali described Naik as a kafir (non-Muslim) in his fatwa, which states he should be ex-communicated from Islam.

In response to questions about Naik, Darul Ifta, an Islamic organization in India which issues advice and fatwas has said that "one should not rely upon his speeches"[23], "his knowledge is not deep"[24] and that"he is deviated from the path of well-versed Ulama"[25]. They also say that Naik is "spreading mischievous things and misguiding simple Muslims to wrong path"[26] and that "he is religiously deviated, some of his talks are unauthentic." [27] They advise other Muslims that "one is most probably feared to fall in fitnah by listening his speeches."[28]

Is this in english enough for you?

[Wyvern]

The Quraan clearly mentions the function of the mountains in preventing the
earth from shaking:
And We have set on the earth Mountains standing firm, Lest it should shake with them. [Al-Quraan 21:31]

Clearly you don't live in an earthquake zone. I live close to the geologic middle of the north american continent, there isn't a mountain within a thousand miles of where I live and yet we do not have earthquakes. On the other hand take Los Angeles as an example, they have small mountains within the metropolitan limits and a major mountain range only a few hundred miles away and yet earthquakes are a relatively common occurance. Another example on the other hand are the Appalachian chain in the eastern U.S. Here we have an old and heavily worn moutain range that has shown nearly no tectonic activity over the last four hundred years. It is obvious that the presence of mountains has no relation as to whether earthquakes occur or not if anything the opposite is true in that the lack of mountains gives you a lower chance of having earthquakes.

[TrueReligion]

Wyvern, where are the charges against him? fatwa any1 can issue, but what are the charges? you have to show the charges against him, like following..

1- He is giving different teaching than ALLAH
2- He is giving different teaching as of Prophet Muhammad (pbuh), and what are those teachings
3- If he is bringing hatred among muslims or non-muslims?

Have you not been reading my posts again? The charges are listed in my previous post. Plus of course in him making statements agreeing with al qaeda puts him in violation of point number three of yours.

The charges you wrote, are not understandable, and its not in English, further non of those charges can be kept under fatwa section. as fatwa is related to religious issue, so you have to provide the charges against him
Also, wats the claim he is supporting Al-Qaeda? is he sending fund? is he fighting along them? wats the source and evidence Wyvern?

Wait a minute, you say fatwas can only be issued for religious issues but you have said that causing hatred among muslims or non-muslims would be a reason for issuing a fatwa.
Here again are the reasons given for the fatwa.

In November 2008, a fatwa was issued against Zakir Naik by Islamic scholars in Lucknow India for supporting Osama Bin Laden and glorifying Yazeed, the 'killer' of Imam Hussain, a prominent figure in Shia Islam. [29] Lucknow's shahar qazi Mufti Abul Irfan Mian Firangi Mahali described Naik as a kafir (non-Muslim) in his fatwa, which states he should be ex-communicated from Islam.

In response to questions about Naik, Darul Ifta, an Islamic organization in India which issues advice and fatwas has said that "one should not rely upon his speeches"[23], "his knowledge is not deep"[24] and that"he is deviated from the path of well-versed Ulama"[25]. They also say that Naik is "spreading mischievous things and misguiding simple Muslims to wrong path"[26] and that "he is religiously deviated, some of his talks are unauthentic." [27] They advise other Muslims that "one is most probably feared to fall in fitnah by listening his speeches."[28]

Is this in english enough for you?

These are not charges, these are only statements, I showed you what charges means, but til now you havent shown anything.
What Dar-Ul-Itfa is saying, are personal opinion, because of professional jealousy, charges are not shown anywhere. So sorry, it can;t be accepted Wyvern

[TrueReligion]

The Quraan clearly mentions the function of the mountains in preventing the
earth from shaking:
And We have set on the earth Mountains standing firm, Lest it should shake with them. [Al-Quraan 21:31]

Clearly you don't live in an earthquake zone. I live close to the geologic middle of the north american continent, there isn't a mountain within a thousand miles of where I live and yet we do not have earthquakes. On the other hand take Los Angeles as an example, they have small mountains within the metropolitan limits and a major mountain range only a few hundred miles away and yet earthquakes are a relatively common occurance. Another example on the other hand are the Appalachian chain in the eastern U.S. Here we have an old and heavily worn moutain range that has shown nearly no tectonic activity over the last four hundred years. It is obvious that the presence of mountains has no relation as to whether earthquakes occur or not if anything the opposite is true in that the lack of mountains gives you a lower chance of having earthquakes.

Where in the whole article its writen preventing earth-quake? can you point me in the article where its mention please that mountains prevent earth-quake?

[TrueReligion]

[center]BARRIER BETWEEN SWEET AND SALT WATERS[/center]

Consider the following Quraanic verses: He has let free the two bodies Of
flowing water, Meeting together: Between them is a Barrier Which they
do not transgress. [Al-Quraan 55:19-20]

In the Arabic text the word barzakh means a barrier or a partition. This barrier
is not a physical partition. The Arabic word maraja literally means they both
meet and mix with each other. Early commentators of the Quraan were
unable to explain the two opposite meanings for the two bodies of water, i.e.
they meet and mix, and at the same time, there is a barrier between them.
Modern Science has discovered that in the places where two different seas
meet, there is a barrier between them. This barrier divides the two seas so that
each sea has its own temperature, salinity and density. 7 Oceanologists are
now in a better position to explain this verse. There is a slanted unseen water
barrier between the two seas through which water from one sea passes to the
other.
But when the water from one sea enters the other sea, it loses its distinctive
characteristic and becomes homogenized with the other water. In a way this
barrier serves as a transitional homogenizing area for the two waters. This
scientific phenomenon mentioned in the Quraan was also confirmed by Dr.
William Hay who is a well-known marine scientist and Professor of
Geological Sciences at the University of Colorado, U.S.A. The Quraan
mentions this phenomenon also in the following verse:

And made a separating bar between the two bodies Of flowing water? [Al-Quraan [27:61]

This phenomenon occurs in several places, including the divider between the
Mediterranean and the Atlantic Ocean at Gibralter. But when the Quraan
speaks about the divider between fresh and salt water, it mentions the existence of a forbidding partition with the barrier.

It is He Who has Let free the two bodies Of flowing water: One palatable and sweet, And the other salty and bitter; Yet has He Made a barrier between them, And a partition that is forbidden To be passed. [Al-Quraan 25:53]

Modern science has discovered that in estuaries, where fresh (sweet) and saltwater
meet, the situation is somewhat different from that found in places
where two seas meet. It has been discovered that what distinguishes fresh
water from salt water in estuaries is a pycnocline zone with a marked density
discontinuity separating the two layers. 8 This partition (zone of separation)
has salinity different from both the fresh water and the salt water. 9
This phenomenon occurs in several places, including Egypt, where the river
Nile flows into the Mediterranean Sea.

7 Principles of Oceanography, Davis, pp. 92-93.
8 Oceanography, Gross, p. 242. Also see Introductory Oceanography, Thurman,
pp. 300-301.
9 Oceanography, Gross, p. 244 and Introductory Oceanography, Thurman, pp.
300-301.

[McCulloch]

BARRIER BETWEEN SWEET AND SALT WATERS

The writers of the Qur'an observed that

1. There are bodies of water on earth with different degrees of salinity.
2. There are places with no visible barriers where the less salty waters meet the more salty waters.
3. They concluded, somewhat reasonably, that there must be some kind of barrier preventing the salt from contaminating the sweet bodies of water.

[sarcasm]I am totally in awe. How could they have know that? Amazing![/sarcasm]