Does this document prove that the Quran contains knowledge of the world that primitive man couldn't possibly have known? Does it prove that Allah is the one true God? Please justify your response.Risky wrote:
Actually look through the Book(it's online I provide the link below lol) before you discredit it. I know the Title may throw you off, and you'll probably click the exit right then and there... but go through it.. check the table of contents and see whats most interesting...
http://www.sunnahonline.com/ilm/quran/qms.pdf
*~In reality what is in it could not have been known 1,400 years ago. So it proves God exists... and if you don't think so, well it lessens the chances that he doesn't... If you think one is vague go on to the next one, I assure you most of the verses are direct statements that meet up with what is now known.
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Wyvern wrote: It would appear as if you are still having difficulties with your eyesight.
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Thankfully I am not the one that has brought these charges. Also of course it is not charges that have been made but a fatwa that has been issued which means charges have been made and investigated already by the appropriate authorities. I am merely reporting the findings. To use your court analogy, if a news reporter writes something about a court case but does not give the entire transcript of the case in his article according to your logic you would release the offender.Ofcourse these charges are not right, what proof you have for these charges?do you have statement of Zakir Naik where he say that he support Al-Qaeda,? if you can;t bring anything., means these charges are fake, and can;t be taken for sure, go to any court in the world, until you give proof, no court will accept your statement and charges.
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Anyway, we have to move on our OP, as you can;t provide any evidence of what you claim here. Better we should concentrate on the OP, rather than on other subjects, which are not relevant to post.Wyvern wrote:Thankfully I am not the one that has brought these charges. Also of course it is not charges that have been made but a fatwa that has been issued which means charges have been made and investigated already by the appropriate authorities. I am merely reporting the findings. To use your court analogy, if a news reporter writes something about a court case but does not give the entire transcript of the case in his article according to your logic you would release the offender.Ofcourse these charges are not right, what proof you have for these charges?do you have statement of Zakir Naik where he say that he support Al-Qaeda,? if you can;t bring anything., means these charges are fake, and can;t be taken for sure, go to any court in the world, until you give proof, no court will accept your statement and charges.
"Truth has (now) arrived, and Falsehood perished: for Falsehood is (by its nature) bound to perish." [Qur''''an 17:81)
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My claim was that a fatwa was issued on Naik which I proved by supplying both the fatwa and an english paraphrase of the charges. You moved the goalposts by changing from wanting to see the charges to wanting to see the proof of the charges which are available from the originator but is in hindi so you would not accept it anyways.Anyway, we have to move on our OP, as you can;t provide any evidence of what you claim here. Better we should concentrate on the OP, rather than on other subjects, which are not relevant to post.
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Wyvern, if you are putting charges on some1, you have to bring evidence,as on what basis you are putting charges, and as you can;t provide the proof, I;am infact helping you out from this, that I'am just ignoring your mistake, and bringing you back to OP, but seems you dont like it, and want to extend this debate.Wyvern wrote:My claim was that a fatwa was issued on Naik which I proved by supplying both the fatwa and an english paraphrase of the charges. You moved the goalposts by changing from wanting to see the charges to wanting to see the proof of the charges which are available from the originator but is in hindi so you would not accept it anyways.Anyway, we have to move on our OP, as you can;t provide any evidence of what you claim here. Better we should concentrate on the OP, rather than on other subjects, which are not relevant to post.
"Truth has (now) arrived, and Falsehood perished: for Falsehood is (by its nature) bound to perish." [Qur''''an 17:81)
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And you seem to be ignoring the fact that I am not the one bringing charges on anyone. In fact I was not saying anything about the charges at all but on the fatwa that has been issued. Surely as a muslim you must know what a fatwa is.Wyvern, if you are putting charges on some1, you have to bring evidence,as on what basis you are putting charges, and as you can;t provide the proof, I;am infact helping you out from this, that I'am just ignoring your mistake, and bringing you back to OP, but seems you dont like it, and want to extend this debate.
If you want to drop this subject, drop it. Instead you claim I am wrong and then say you are doing me a favor. These kinds of favors I don't need.
As far as the OP goes I have already disproven your last attempt at showing the OP is true, have anything else?
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For your concern of last post I made , I gave you link, hopefully you have read it, and detail description with authentic sources of geologists is given there, hope it will clear any misconception you got.Wyvern wrote:And you seem to be ignoring the fact that I am not the one bringing charges on anyone. In fact I was not saying anything about the charges at all but on the fatwa that has been issued. Surely as a muslim you must know what a fatwa is.Wyvern, if you are putting charges on some1, you have to bring evidence,as on what basis you are putting charges, and as you can;t provide the proof, I;am infact helping you out from this, that I'am just ignoring your mistake, and bringing you back to OP, but seems you dont like it, and want to extend this debate.
If you want to drop this subject, drop it. Instead you claim I am wrong and then say you are doing me a favor. These kinds of favors I don't need.
As far as the OP goes I have already disproven your last attempt at showing the OP is true, have anything else?
Have a good day Wyvern
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You linked an entire book, if there is something specific you wish to point out you will have to do so. I have no misconception and the hadiths are clear, they state that a mountains function is to prevent earthquakes which I explained is completely untrue in fact if anything the opposite is true.For your concern of last post I made , I gave you link, hopefully you have read it, and detail description with authentic sources of geologists is given there, hope it will clear any misconception you got.
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Actually I tried to give exact point,. but better to explain in detail, Also the book is in jpg. attached in pdf format, so I can't copy the exact page, but you may read all, it will for sure clear you.Wyvern wrote:You linked an entire book, if there is something specific you wish to point out you will have to do so. I have no misconception and the hadiths are clear, they state that a mountains function is to prevent earthquakes which I explained is completely untrue in fact if anything the opposite is true.For your concern of last post I made , I gave you link, hopefully you have read it, and detail description with authentic sources of geologists is given there, hope it will clear any misconception you got.
And its not taken from Hadith,. please clear the concept of Hadith and Quran 1st, as for sure you dont know the difference between the two.
"Truth has (now) arrived, and Falsehood perished: for Falsehood is (by its nature) bound to perish." [Qur''''an 17:81)
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Yes why don't you explain what you are trying to say.Actually I tried to give exact point,. but better to explain in detail, Also the book is in jpg. attached in pdf format, so I can't copy the exact page, but you may read all, it will for sure clear you.
Instead of correcting a minor point how about you actually try to defend your position and the article you pasted in defense of it.And its not taken from Hadith,. please clear the concept of Hadith and Quran 1st, as for sure you dont know the difference between the two.
