What If...?

[theStudent]

Currently, I am doing what was suggested by some on these forums.
I am researching information both for, and against evolution, and trust me - I am doing so objectively.
While I am still researching, I want to put this out, to hear the different views on it.

During my research I discovered that lately, just over the last decade or so, a lot of informations has been surfacing about fake fossils.
In fact it has now become common place for fossils sold at museums to be checked for genuineness.
I find this interesting.

Why now, is this happening?
Could it be that evidence as it always does, is now surfacing?

For example
Remember the dinosaur hoax - the one that was said to be put together using different bones?
It has recently been found out that it wasn't a hoax after all.
http://www.foxnews.com/science/2015/02/ ... ecies.html

That is quite interesting.

The fossils aren't the only things that were/are claimed to be fake.
There are the drawings, and pictures as well.
Right now, I am going through a very long document considered a case against some of Darwins picture illustrations.
But have you ever come across this one?

Pictures from the past powerfully shape current views of the world. In books, television programs, and websites, new images appear alongside others that have survived from decades ago. Among the most famous are drawings of embryos by the Darwinist Ernst Haeckel in which humans and other vertebrates begin identical, then diverge toward their adult forms. But these icons of evolution are notorious, too: soon after their publication in 1868, a colleague alleged fraud, and Haeckels many enemies have repeated the charge ever since. His embryos nevertheless became a textbook staple until, in 1997, a biologist accused him again, and creationist advocates of intelligent design forced his figures out. How could the most controversial pictures in the history of science have become some of the most widely seen?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ernst_Haeckel
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Haec ... eks4-6.jpg
English: The pictures illustrate Ernst Haeckel's biogenetic law. In the beginning embryos of different species look remarkable similar, later different characteristics develop. The images initiated controversies and charges of fraud.

All of this lends to a possibility.
Consdering the fact that fossils can be faked, we must accept the fact that Darwin, and other scientists could have lied.

My question here, isn't whether he did lie or not, but rather, Does this not place evolutionists in the same position as the Christians they claim are believing in fables?

Consider:
Christians accept the Bible, as the word of God.
Here are just a few facts about the Bible.
With estimated total sales of over 5 billion copies, the Bible is widely considered to be the best-selling book of all time.
It has estimated annual sales of 100 million copies.
It has been a major influence on literature and history, especially in the West where the Gutenberg Bible was the first mass-printed book.
It was the first book ever printed using movable type.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bible

Archaeological findings of the Dead Sea Scrolls, also called the Qumran Caves https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dead_Sea_Scrolls

The evidence is there however, that the book we hold in our hand today (the Bible), contains information written centuries ago.

Atheist call the book fables - the reason I have yet to find out.
Maybe one of the reasons is that they have not seen God, or seen him write any book - whatever.
So they claim that Christians' belief in them and what they present is blind faith, and belief in stories.

However, is this not the case with those who accept the theory of evolution, where all they have to go by, is what scientists claim to be evidence?

By the way...
No one, to this day have seen them recreate the theories.
Any data they give you on species, is usually what already existed (at least what I have come across so far).
As regards other claims, all we have are pictures, and claimed fossils, which could have been edited.

So evolutionists are really believing what men claim - without any substantial proof of their claim.
How is this different to believing a book?

And what if Darwin, and others lied?


I'm just interested in you different opinions and thoughts, on the above.
Here is a nice short video of someone's opinion. Reasonable too.

[arian]

Hello Clownboat, took you off ignore because this new ideology caught my attention, you know the one the atheist Morgan Freeman is used for promoting, also, so I can see if you have changed any yet or not?
But, .. doesn't look like it, you are still out there to deface God.

Wait! There is a god out there to deface? Is this just another empty claim or has the government been letting off too many chem trails where you live? If there are no gods, then your claim that I'm out to deface them is not accurate.

No gods? Now who's sniffing on all the chem-trails huh? Can any normal human being actually deny the existence of gods in the world? Only none of those godsss are THE One and Only Infinite-Creator, whom you are really defacing in the minds of man. And by classifying humans as "animals", you are defacing humanity too.

Hope all is well with you and yours!

And you and yours as well.

Thank you my friend.

OK, how does my post there show it's false??

Easy! You claimed that there was but one god. I provided many gods that are available. Anything more than 1 is not 1, therefore your claim that 'there is only one god' is not accurate nor truthful.

OK, so now you admit to not only one, but to many gods out there!?

Now how many gods are claimed, and proven as Infinite? Since only ONE God can be that Infinite Creator, and I can present evidence for Him, then what I said is both accurate AND truthful.

The rest is just un-evidenced claims and more conspiracy theories. I just couldn't get through it all. So if there is anything specific you would like me to address or respond to, just let me know.

Again, I don't waste my time with conspiracy "theories", only evidenced conspiracies. I mean come on buddy, why don't you look up, Google "CERN", and you will see how a Luciferian Religion has taken over science, and whatever scientific facts real scientists find they reinterpret it through their Luciferian beliefs. You can't deny their pagan rituals now can you? Now ask yourself, .. what does pagan-gods, and their weird worship of these gods have to do with science?

What does vagina-clapping Sasha Fierce and Lady gag-me Gaga have to do with science? What does actor Morgan Freeman have to do with CERN, .. or science in general? Has any of these actors, go-go dancer performers contributed to physics? Why did Morgan Freeman bring the subject of god/gods into LHC unless as I said that the LHC is an elaborate temple, a portal to the supernatural world where all the deified-demonic spirits, or gods are brought together to coexist and be worshipped?

[arian]

Ah yes, .. things will be like before I was born, as if I never existed.

Wait! Do you claim that this is not an option? If not, why scoff at it as if it is not an option?

That goes right-smack against your BB-Evolution Agenda 21-2030 religious beliefs.

Come back arian! Come back! Can we not have a serious discussion without you interjecting your conspiracy theories?
Not able to watch videos at this moment. Is there anything important in the video that you would like to relay (preferably not more conspiracy theories)? I have to try really hard as it is to take you serious.

OK, so you're not allowed to watch videos, hey, I respect your religious beliefs and limitations. But are you allowed to read? Here, just click and read it in PDF format, it is not a theory, really, .. look:

Agenda 21 - Sustainable Development Knowledge Platform

https://sustainabledevelopment.un.org/c ... enda21.pdf

United Nations
United Nations Conference on Environment & Development. Rio de Janerio, Brazil, 3 to 14 June 1992. AGENDA 21. CONTENTS. Chapter. Paragraphs. 1.

Forgive the spelling error of Rio de Janeiro, looks like the One World Government don't care about the Portuguese either, only in their god/gods which provided a perfect location to draw up such conspiracy outlining the "Final Solution" for sub-humanity.

[Clownboat]

Hello Clownboat, took you off ignore because this new ideology caught my attention, you know the one the atheist Morgan Freeman is used for promoting, also, so I can see if you have changed any yet or not?
But, .. doesn't look like it, you are still out there to deface God.

Wait! There is a god out there to deface? Is this just another empty claim or has the government been letting off too many chem trails where you live? If there are no gods, then your claim that I'm out to deface them is not accurate.

No gods? Now who's sniffing on all the chem-trails huh? Can any normal human being actually deny the existence of gods in the world?

Are you even trying? Atheists, I'm sure you have heard of them. Well... they tend to not find any of the available god concepts as credible. Some flat out deny the existence of gods.

Only none of those godsss are THE One and Only Infinite-Creator, whom you are really defacing in the minds of man.

Ya ya ya, and Allah Akbar and all that too right?

And by classifying humans as "animals", you are defacing humanity too.

Open a dictionary for crying out loud!
an-i-mal
anml/Submit
noun
1.
a living organism that feeds on organic matter, typically having specialized sense organs and nervous system and able to respond rapidly to stimuli.

OK, how does my post there show it's false??

Easy! You claimed that there was but one god. I provided many gods that are available. Anything more than 1 is not 1, therefore your claim that 'there is only one god' is not accurate nor truthful.

OK, so now you admit to not only one, but to many gods out there!?

I do not make god concept claims, but I am open to believing in any of the thousands of available god concepts upon being supplied with evidence. Do you have any that we should consider?

Now how many gods are claimed, and proven as Infinite?

Zero god concepts have been shown to be real, much less infinite that I'm aware of.

Since only ONE God can be that Infinite Creator,

False, I can invent a pantheon of creator god concepts.

and I can present evidence for Him, then what I said is both accurate AND truthful.

Entire posts have already taken place addressing your claim to have evidence.

The rest is just un-evidenced claims and more conspiracy theories. I just couldn't get through it all. So if there is anything specific you would like me to address or respond to, just let me know.

Again, I don't waste my time with conspiracy "theories", only evidenced conspiracies.

As evidenced by the fact that you continue to claim to have evidence for a god concept, I don't believe you understand what evidence is. Sorry.

I mean come on buddy, why don't you look up, Google "CERN", and you will see how a Luciferian Religion has taken over science, and whatever scientific facts real scientists find they reinterpret it through their Luciferian beliefs.

I didn't see what you see. Perhaps I'm just not a conspiracy minded type of person.
http://www.abc.net.au/radionational/pro ... es/7177962

'These traits of mind that we have, these shortcuts that our brains take ... they can lead us to suspect a conspiracy has occurred, whether it has or not.'

According to the psychologist, it all begins with our instinctive desire for control.

'This is something that we all suffer from, not just in the context of conspiracy theories, but we all want to feel like we have control over our circumstances and that we understand what's going on around us.

'When that feeling of control is stripped away for whatever reason ... then we look for other sources of control, what is called compensatory control.

'Conspiracy theories are one manifestation of this need ... we think that if we don't have control that at least somebody does, even if they don't have our best interests at heart.'

You can't deny their pagan rituals now can you?

Wha?

Now ask yourself, .. what does pagan-gods, and their weird worship of these gods have to do with science?

Your going to need to be more descriptive.

What does vagina-clapping Sasha Fierce and Lady gag-me Gaga have to do with science?

Come back arian! Come back.

What does actor Morgan Freeman have to do with CERN, .. or science in general?

Come back arian! Come back.

Has any of these actors, go-go dancer performers contributed to physics?

Come back arian! Come back.

Why did Morgan Freeman bring the subject of god/gods into LHC unless as I said that the LHC is an elaborate temple, a portal to the supernatural world where all the deified-demonic spirits, or gods are brought together to coexist and be worshipped?

Yup arian, a portal to another world. That's what is going on...

[Clownboat]

Ah yes, .. things will be like before I was born, as if I never existed.

Wait! Do you claim that this is not an option? If not, why scoff at it as if it is not an option?

That goes right-smack against your BB-Evolution Agenda 21-2030 religious beliefs.

Come back arian! Come back! Can we not have a serious discussion without you interjecting your conspiracy theories?
Not able to watch videos at this moment. Is there anything important in the video that you would like to relay (preferably not more conspiracy theories)? I have to try really hard as it is to take you serious.

OK, so you're not allowed to watch videos, hey, I respect your religious beliefs and limitations. But are you allowed to read? Here, just click and read it in PDF format, it is not a theory, really, .. look:

Agenda 21 - Sustainable Development Knowledge Platform

https://sustainabledevelopment.un.org/c ... enda21.pdf

United Nations
United Nations Conference on Environment & Development. Rio de Janerio, Brazil, 3 to 14 June 1992. AGENDA 21. CONTENTS. Chapter. Paragraphs. 1.

Forgive the spelling error of Rio de Janeiro, looks like the One World Government don't care about the Portuguese either, only in their god/gods which provided a perfect location to draw up such conspiracy outlining the "Final Solution" for sub-humanity.

Reading comprehension for the win!
"Not able to watch videos at this moment."
Perhaps you would start a thread to discuss this or one of your other favorite conspiracy theories?

[arian]

No gods? Now who's sniffing on all the chem-trails huh? Can any normal human being actually deny the existence of gods in the world?

Are you even trying? Atheists, I'm sure you have heard of them. Well... they tend to not find any of the available god concepts as credible. Some flat out deny the existence of gods.

Atheists don't believe in gods, or it's just that they don't see any "credible ones"?

Here, see if any atheist may deem some of these gods as credible? I mean why don't you buy one, or two, if you don't find the carving, workmanship, history behind these gods credible, send it back with an explanation pointing out the flaws.

Like: "I didn't find Zeus very godie, can you carve me one that is more godie-looking, more powerful, more Schwarzeneggerie!?" Maybe they'll make you a Zeus with a machine gun or whatever. That's what theists and their gods are all about, if you don't like one, you can create one you like, including the story behind your god/gods. I mean atheism is really dumb if you ask me, tens of thousands of gods out there, or you can create your own, like Caesar Green-eyes the monkey Evolution-god, .. you can make up any "millions and billions of years ago" story behind it that you want, and here they are .. millions of atheists, .. simply unbelievable?

https://www.pepperfry.com/home-decor-sp ... rines.html

If you are one of those art critics and want some spectacular gods, you'll have to spend a little more money. Here is one the Pope and his minions really like:

http://forums.canadiancontent.net/spiri ... older.html

buy one, set it up, and invite your atheist friends and see if they can deny it exists. Get a Thor-god, and if they refuse to believe in him, smack them with Odin's hammer, that should make a believer out of them right?

Only none of those godsss are THE One and Only Infinite-Creator, whom you are really defacing in the minds of man.

Ya ya ya, and Allah Akbar and all that too right?

No, .. that would be the atheists god ISIS, she's there, but they deny her existence. I told you atheists and theists are two sides of one coin, which is "religion". One creates and openly support their god/gods, and the other creates and openly denies their god/gods existence, .. like the atheist goddess ISIS I just told you about.

And by classifying humans as "animals", you are defacing humanity too.

Open a dictionary for crying out loud!
an-i-mal
anml/Submit
noun
1.
a living organism that feeds on organic matter, typically having specialized sense organs and nervous system and able to respond rapidly to stimuli.

Hmm, yet look at the definition of human:

Human:
noun
1. a human being, especially a person as distinguished from an animal
synonyms: person, human being, personage, mortal, member of the human race.

This would be confusing if we didn't have history to explain it to us. The "animal" definition is AS the Germans see the world and all biological life on it. Non-Germans are not counted as "human" as you can clearly see here. Here is a clearer definition:

Animal:
noun
1. a living organism that feeds on organic matter, typically having specialized sense organs and nervous system and able to respond rapidly to stimuli and deadly cancer treatment, chem-trailing, fluoride, TV Commercials, MK-Ultra Movies etc.
"animals such as spiders, rats, non-German bi-pedal white hairless apes."

a living organism, some similar to human beings.
"are humans superior to animals, or just different?"

A. both

synonyms: creature, beast, living thing mimicking humans
informal: critter, beastie, zombies, Jabba-food, sacrifice, Django,
informal: swine, bastard, pig, suckers, experiments, pets.

a person whose behavior is regarded as devoid of human attributes or civilizing influences (see Nazi propaganda videos of Jews), especially someone who is very dumb, nave, can be easily brought to violence against his own kind, always repulsive.
"those men have to be animals"how they scream and whine when tortured or exterminated is proof!"

Human-German:
noun
1. a human being, especially a person as distinguished from an animal-Negros, Aborigines, hairy and hairless white skinned apes.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Abi8MEz7zU

synonyms: person, human being, personage, mortal/immortal, member of the human race, gods, ruler of Bible-God over human minds.

OK, how does my post there show it's false??

Easy! You claimed that there was but one god. I provided many gods that are available. Anything more than 1 is not 1, therefore your claim that 'there is only one god' is not accurate nor truthful.

OK, so now you admit to not only one, but to many gods out there!?

I do not make god concept claims, but I am open to believing in any of the thousands of available god concepts upon being supplied with evidence. Do you have any that we should consider?

Like I said, tens of thousands out there, take your pick:
http://www.lotussculpture.com/

Now how many gods are claimed, and proven as Infinite?

Zero god concepts have been shown to be real, much less infinite that I'm aware of.

Of course none of the "god-concept" would be shown to be real Infinite God, those are all finite, carved and man made gods in religions that are worshipped and not worshipped at the same time. Theist/atheists are the "upside-down" and "opposite" powers of religions, one says one thing, and the other says the opposite. This they do in the name of "Coexist" and "=equality", .. oh come on, you knew that! You are just being "Upside-Down" right now.

Since only ONE God can be that Infinite Creator,

False, I can invent a pantheon of creator god concepts.

But, .. like I said: "only ONE God can be that Infinite Creator"

and I can present evidence for Him, then what I said is both accurate AND truthful.

Entire posts have already taken place addressing your claim to have evidence

Oh yes, so I did my part, that's all that matter to me.
Any questions?

The rest is just un-evidenced claims and more conspiracy theories. I just couldn't get through it all. So if there is anything specific you would like me to address or respond to, just let me know.

Again, I don't waste my time with conspiracy "theories", only evidenced conspiracies.

As evidenced by the fact that you continue to claim to have evidence for a god concept, I don't believe you understand what evidence is. Sorry.

Well, why don't you teach me what evidence is then!? Here, if the BB-Evolutionists say:

The universe fluctuated from "nothing" as a quantum speck, .. then in a point in space before space existed, in a moment in time before time existed it began to get hotter and hotter as it contracted, and then BANG! It exploded with a "Big Bang"!!

This is evidenced by the fact that galaxies that are spinning around us, some coming straight towards us, others colliding into each other is EVIDENCE that the universe is expanding.

Is the collision of galaxies evidence of an expanding universe which the BB-theory is solely based on?

I mean come on buddy, why don't you look up, Google "CERN", and you will see how a Luciferian Religion has taken over science, and whatever scientific facts real scientists find they reinterpret it through their Luciferian beliefs.

I didn't see what you see. Perhaps I'm just not a conspiracy minded type of person.
http://www.abc.net.au/radionational/pro ... es/7177962

'These traits of mind that we have, these shortcuts that our brains take ... they can lead us to suspect a conspiracy has occurred, whether it has or not.'

According to the psychologist, it all begins with our instinctive desire for control.

'This is something that we all suffer from, not just in the context of conspiracy theories, but we all want to feel like we have control over our circumstances and that we understand what's going on around us.

'When that feeling of control is stripped away for whatever reason ... then we look for other sources of control, what is called compensatory control.

'Conspiracy theories are one manifestation of this need ... we think that if we don't have control that at least somebody does, even if they don't have our best interests at heart.'

I asked you to Google 666CERN, and looks like you did, and gave me this:

"According to the psychologist, it all begins with our instinctive desire for control." I mean hoping to create another universe, a parallel universe to the one God created, now that is not just an instinctive desire for control, but a psychotic desire to be God/Creator of a Universe!

Thank you for verifying what I said.

You can't deny their pagan rituals now can you?

Wha?

Never mind, I forgot your religion doesn't allow you to watch YouTube.

Now ask yourself, .. what does pagan-gods, and their weird worship of these gods have to do with science?

Your going to need to be more descriptive.

You will have to ask permission to look at YouTube videos first.

What does vagina-clapping Sasha Fierce and Lady gag-me Gaga have to do with science?

Come back arian! Come back.

Right, .. as I mentioned above.

What does actor Morgan Freeman have to do with CERN, .. or science in general?

Come back arian! Come back.

You watched the ending of the movie Titanic too many times, .. do you blow your little candy whistle every time you say "come back, .. come back arian .. come back .."

Has any of these actors, go-go dancer performers contributed to physics?

Come back arian! Come back.

LOL..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oDnwOtYqNjw

Why did Morgan Freeman bring the subject of god/gods into LHC unless as I said that the LHC is an elaborate temple, a portal to the supernatural world where all the deified-demonic spirits, or gods are brought together to coexist and be worshipped?

Yup arian, a portal to another world. That's what is going on...

LHC, .. a temple where all the gods you say you don't believe in are unified and ready to Coexist And yes, with their prayers, they do create a portal to the supernatural realm, where more deities, deified supernatural beings unite as one, .. that is correct!

[arian]

Ah yes, .. things will be like before I was born, as if I never existed.

Wait! Do you claim that this is not an option? If not, why scoff at it as if it is not an option?

That goes right-smack against your BB-Evolution Agenda 21-2030 religious beliefs.

Come back arian! Come back! Can we not have a serious discussion without you interjecting your conspiracy theories?
Not able to watch videos at this moment. Is there anything important in the video that you would like to relay (preferably not more conspiracy theories)? I have to try really hard as it is to take you serious.

OK, so you're not allowed to watch videos, hey, I respect your religious beliefs and limitations. But are you allowed to read? Here, just click and read it in PDF format, it is not a theory, really, .. look:

Agenda 21 - Sustainable Development Knowledge Platform

https://sustainabledevelopment.un.org/c ... enda21.pdf

United Nations
United Nations Conference on Environment & Development. Rio de Janerio, Brazil, 3 to 14 June 1992. AGENDA 21. CONTENTS. Chapter. Paragraphs. 1.

Forgive the spelling error of Rio de Janeiro, looks like the One World Government don't care about the Portuguese either, only in their god/gods which provided a perfect location to draw up such conspiracy outlining the "Final Solution" for sub-humanity.

Reading comprehension for the win!
"Not able to watch videos at this moment."
Perhaps you would start a thread to discuss this or one of your other favorite conspiracy theories?

That's like a girl saying she can't go out with you 'cause she's having a bad hair day at this moment.

"How about Friday babe?"

"Nope, Friday's no good either, .. still will be trying to get over todays 'bad hair day'!"

It's OK Clownboat, I get it.

[benchwarmer]

Human:
noun
1. a human being, especially a person as distinguished from an animal
synonyms: person, human being, personage, mortal, member of the human race.

Can I ask which dictionary you got that from? Because it sounds like you looked it up, but missed a few words.

Here it is from dictionary.com (emphasis added by me)

http://www.dictionary.com/browse/human

adjective
1.
of, pertaining to, characteristic of, or having the nature of people:
human frailty.
2.
consisting of people:
the human race.
3.
of or relating to the social aspect of people:
human affairs.
4.
sympathetic; humane :
a warmly human understanding.
noun
5.
a human being.

http://www.dictionary.com/browse/human-being

noun
1.
any individual of the genus Homo, especially a member of the species Homo sapiens.
2.
a person, especially as distinguished from other animals or as representing the human species:
living conditions not fit for human beings; a very generous human being.

Maybe you prefer a medical definition from a different dictionary:

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictiona ... Dictionary

: a bipedal primate mammal of the genus Homo (H. sapiens) : man; broadly : hominid

I did find the following which was NOT in a dictionary, but if you got if from here, you conveniently missed some of it:

http://english.stackexchange.com/questi ... -humankind

human: a human being, especially a person as distinguished from an animal or (in science fiction) an alien
human being: a man, woman, or child of the species Homo sapiens, distinguished from other animals by superior mental development, power of articulate speech, and upright stance
humankind: human beings considered collectively (used as a neutral alternative to mankind)

[Kenisaw]

And yet you continue to claim that a creator being exists and that it made everything, despite repeatedly failing to provide any proof to substantiate your claim....

Ye olde Black Swan fallacy!!!

The British museum of natural history used to fund expeditions around the world in the tall ship days. When their scientists came back from Australia talking about seeing a black swan the society exploded because there ARE NO BLACK SWANS! No one had ever seen one and some geneticist tried to prove it was impossible to get a black swan from a white swan.

They wanted proof because the eyewitness evidence and drawings were not proof but only evidence of something...a hoax, a joke, a mistake, an equatorial hallucination, anything but a real black swan.

The explorers were fired and disgraced out of the society. Their backers lost position and had to repudiate them. Heads rolled. Then a year or five later someone finally brought home a Black Swan carcass.

The upshot of this bit of scientific trivia is that it was concluded that lack of evidence IS NOT PROOF of a lack of the object. Lack of proof carries no weight as a proof for the claim being false and lack of evidence is not proof there is no truth in the claim either.

So dear Christians don't let them bully you around because they have no proof or even evidence when you do - their lack is not a detriment to your case as it proves nothing.

Truscott, the master of the bad analogy, continues his championship ways...

Why is this a bad analogy? Since you made it I can only assume you don't know, so allow me to explain it to you.

Swans, as everyone knows, do exist. No one in your example said that ALL swans are baseless conjecture. No no, they said that we know swans exist but they didn't think BLACK swans existed. How is this different than the systematic ignoring of requests for evidence for gods? Simply put, there isn't any evidence of ANY gods. White gods, black swan gods, Abrahamic gods, Thor, Odin, etc etc etc. If you could produce evidence for some kind of god, even if it wasn't the one your parents fed you, then at least we could say gods are plausible. So all you have to do is give us one little scrap of empirical data for a god. Any god. Any scrap of data. Got any?

Of course you don't. If you did, you wouldn't have to make up bad analogies in lieu of just posting some data or evidence.

I agree lack of evidence does not constitute 100% certainty that something does not exist. I've never said it does, nor has anyone else. All we keep drumming into the cultist brains is that the total lack of evidence means there is no rational reason to consider supernatural claims as plausible.

You even prove this. You don't believe in Mumba, or Osiris, or Vishnu. Neither do I. We are both atheists truscott, you just lack belief in one less god than I do.

But you are so invested in your belief system that you can't think logically. You continued misuse of analogies speaks to that clearly. I have no idea how long you've invested yourself in these fantasies, but it makes it hard to let go. Maybe you've been indoctrinated since birth, maybe you picked it up later in life. Maybe the thought of death is too overwhelming and your brain needs the coping mechanism of irrational religious belief. I have no idea, but it's a shame that a guy of your quality continues to pay the price of self-inflicted intellectual dishonesty.

But keep deflecting and dodging the elephant in the room, and continue avoiding requests for evidence of your creature. What may not be obvious to you is certainly obvious to a lot of other folk.

[man]

Currently, I am doing what was suggested by some on these forums.
I am researching information both for, and against evolution, and trust me - I am doing so objectively.
While I am still researching, I want to put this out, to hear the different views on it.

During my research I discovered that lately, just over the last decade or so, a lot of informations has been surfacing about fake fossils.
In fact it has now become common place for fossils sold at museums to be checked for genuineness.
I find this interesting.

Why now, is this happening?
Could it be that evidence as it always does, is now surfacing?

For example
Remember the dinosaur hoax - the one that was said to be put together using different bones?
It has recently been found out that it wasn't a hoax after all.
http://www.foxnews.com/science/2015/02/ ... ecies.html

That is quite interesting.

The fossils aren't the only things that were/are claimed to be fake.
There are the drawings, and pictures as well.
Right now, I am going through a very long document considered a case against some of Darwins picture illustrations.
But have you ever come across this one?

Pictures from the past powerfully shape current views of the world. In books, television programs, and websites, new images appear alongside others that have survived from decades ago. Among the most famous are drawings of embryos by the Darwinist Ernst Haeckel in which humans and other vertebrates begin identical, then diverge toward their adult forms. But these icons of evolution are notorious, too: soon after their publication in 1868, a colleague alleged fraud, and Haeckels many enemies have repeated the charge ever since. His embryos nevertheless became a textbook staple until, in 1997, a biologist accused him again, and creationist advocates of intelligent design forced his figures out. How could the most controversial pictures in the history of science have become some of the most widely seen?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ernst_Haeckel
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Haec ... eks4-6.jpg
English: The pictures illustrate Ernst Haeckel's biogenetic law. In the beginning embryos of different species look remarkable similar, later different characteristics develop. The images initiated controversies and charges of fraud.

All of this lends to a possibility.
Consdering the fact that fossils can be faked, we must accept the fact that Darwin, and other scientists could have lied.

My question here, isn't whether he did lie or not, but rather, Does this not place evolutionists in the same position as the Christians they claim are believing in fables?

Consider:
Christians accept the Bible, as the word of God.
Here are just a few facts about the Bible.
With estimated total sales of over 5 billion copies, the Bible is widely considered to be the best-selling book of all time.
It has estimated annual sales of 100 million copies.
It has been a major influence on literature and history, especially in the West where the Gutenberg Bible was the first mass-printed book.
It was the first book ever printed using movable type.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bible

Archaeological findings of the Dead Sea Scrolls, also called the Qumran Caves https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dead_Sea_Scrolls

The evidence is there however, that the book we hold in our hand today (the Bible), contains information written centuries ago.

Atheist call the book fables - the reason I have yet to find out.
Maybe one of the reasons is that they have not seen God, or seen him write any book - whatever.
So they claim that Christians' belief in them and what they present is blind faith, and belief in stories.

However, is this not the case with those who accept the theory of evolution, where all they have to go by, is what scientists claim to be evidence?

By the way...
No one, to this day have seen them recreate the theories.
Any data they give you on species, is usually what already existed (at least what I have come across so far).
As regards other claims, all we have are pictures, and claimed fossils, which could have been edited.

So evolutionists are really believing what men claim - without any substantial proof of their claim.
How is this different to believing a book?

And what if Darwin, and others lied?


I'm just interested in you different opinions and thoughts, on the above.
Here is a nice short video of someone's opinion. Reasonable too.

What exactly do they stand to gain by lying about evolution theory?

I can't see anybody profiting from that.

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I'm wondering if ted's story even happened. He talks about a group who travel to Australia and a geneticist who says you can't get black swans from white swans.
However, genetics as a field didn't take off until the turn of the 20th century. Photography was already an established practice then. So why would a scientific research time not take photographs?