Question for Debate:In what ways has your Christian faith and practice improved your mental health?bjs wrote: Second, in response to historia you wrote:The first part of that statement is clearly true. In Psychology Today psychologist Rob Whitley wrote:Jagella wrote: Some claim religious belief can be beneficial mentally, and others have come to the opposite conclusion
“The amassed research indicates that higher levels of religious belief and practice (known in social science as “religiosity�) is associated with better mental health.�
Does Christianity enhance your mental health?
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Does Christianity enhance your mental health?
Post #1In an older thread, The Mental-Illness Theory of Religion, I received the following response:
Re: Does Christianity enhance your mental health?
Post #56I can see how a person who feels guilty over "past dumb behavior" might feel better if that person believes forgiven by Christ. Such a belief might lessen feelings of guilt which could decrease depression, fear, and anxiety.dio9 wrote:forgiveness for past dumb behavior is what Christ has done for my mental health.
In any case, you are not alone in seeking emotional solace from Christianity. It seems that people can often find in Christian beliefs what they wish to find. If they're seeking forgiveness like you are, then chances are they can find it somewhere in the New Testament.
Post #57
Can you show your beliefs for righteousness are true?JoeyKnothead wrote:You can stand by it in the sense you believe it, you can't stand on it in the sense you can't show it to be the truth.Tart wrote: Ok well, i believe in Christianity because I believe Christ is the pinnacle of righteousness, and also the Risen Son of God... I believe forgiveness, and faithfulness is apart of righteousness, and if you think im wrong for believing that, you are entitled to your opinions, but ill sand by that...
Alas, the Christian, yet again, is able to declare their beliefs in debate only to employ the "well I'm sure proud to believe it" defense.
This, ladies and germinations is the best the Christian can do when we put their claims to the test of honorable, 'righteous' debate.
I can believe I'm me a fine, upstanding human being, that don't mean I don't peek in on the pretty thing when she takes her a shower.
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Post #58
From Post 56:
You presented your 'beliefs' in debate. I seek to determine if your beliefs can be show to be an accurate reflection of a reality beyond you holding your beliefs within that skull of yours.
Go ahead, show your beliefs are an accurate reflection of reality - HERE IN DEBATE - or risk being either thought of, or exposed as a fraud!
This is what I'm getting at folks - the concessions, the entertaining we have to do in honorable, honest debate just to analyse the claims of folks who are entirely incapable of showing they speak truth.
This is what we have to accept from theist 'debaters' - "Well I believe it, that oughta be it fancy enough" is NOT debate. It is the scoundrel trying to pretend his beliefs have merit simply 'cause he has the ability to spout 'em.
What's to debate, when the scoundrelous claimant hides behind 'belief'?
Nothing! Not a danged thing because the scoundrelous claimant will dance around the facts - the facts being they can't show their God exists to even have him an opinion they can't show he does.
But what is 'righteousness'?
I propose it's having the honor and integrity to just fess up when you've been stuck you by either your outright lies, or your obvious errors.
Alas, there'll always be that bunch that think 'I believe' is somehow a defensible 'debate'.
Go ahead, show us all how an inability to show you speak truth has offered you superior mental health benefits!
And how we shouldn't think that lies are comfort to those who can't show they speak truth!
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That's kinda my point - instead of you supporting your 'beliefs', you set to questionin' mine.Tart wrote: Can you show your beliefs for righteousness are true?
You presented your 'beliefs' in debate. I seek to determine if your beliefs can be show to be an accurate reflection of a reality beyond you holding your beliefs within that skull of yours.
Go ahead, show your beliefs are an accurate reflection of reality - HERE IN DEBATE - or risk being either thought of, or exposed as a fraud!
This is what I'm getting at folks - the concessions, the entertaining we have to do in honorable, honest debate just to analyse the claims of folks who are entirely incapable of showing they speak truth.
This is what we have to accept from theist 'debaters' - "Well I believe it, that oughta be it fancy enough" is NOT debate. It is the scoundrel trying to pretend his beliefs have merit simply 'cause he has the ability to spout 'em.
What's to debate, when the scoundrelous claimant hides behind 'belief'?
Nothing! Not a danged thing because the scoundrelous claimant will dance around the facts - the facts being they can't show their God exists to even have him an opinion they can't show he does.
But what is 'righteousness'?
I propose it's having the honor and integrity to just fess up when you've been stuck you by either your outright lies, or your obvious errors.
Alas, there'll always be that bunch that think 'I believe' is somehow a defensible 'debate'.
Go ahead, show us all how an inability to show you speak truth has offered you superior mental health benefits!
And how we shouldn't think that lies are comfort to those who can't show they speak truth!
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I might be Teddy Roosevelt, but I ain't.
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Post #59
Id like to respond to a few things in this comment, but first i think there is an important issue I would like resolved...
When you say
What is it that I (or someone) has lied about, or said something with obvious errors? Or am i not understanding you? This would constitute as "slander" if it isnt actually supported with evidence.
When you say
This is suggesting i (or someone) has outright lied about something, or said something of obvious errors...JoeyKnothead wrote: I propose it's having the honor and integrity to just fess up when you've been stuck you by either your outright lies, or your obvious errors.
What is it that I (or someone) has lied about, or said something with obvious errors? Or am i not understanding you? This would constitute as "slander" if it isnt actually supported with evidence.
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Post #60
from Post 58:
(Edit to change referenced post from 57 to 58, and y'all's welcome to pick on me about it.)
I reject any argument that I'm in violation of the rules, 'til it is a mod shakes 'em their head at me, all forlornly and all, like they they just had to did, and I'm so embarrassed they had to do. Really, I don't know what brought that about, but I'm shamed of it.
I was asked to propose how my "beliefs for righteousness are true" and offered me up a definition of the relevant term, such that we might be able to determine us all about it.
That the liar, that the fraud might gettem upset by that definition, is, I contend, well how 'bout that.
That the liar, or the fraud might think my proffered definition points to them directly is, I propose, well how 'bout that.
We're in debate here. We're in us a-seekin' the truth. I'll not be shamed nor suffered to find there's some here among us who can't show they speak it. And get upset when their failure jumps it to the top of the page.
The only thing the liar has to fear, the only thing the fraud has to fear, is being exposed.
Who of y'all here just set to fret?
(Edit to change referenced post from 57 to 58, and y'all's welcome to pick on me about it.)
Please note, there's buttons there folks can push, and how 'bout that, the mods jump in and there we go.Tart wrote: Id like to respond to a few things in this comment, but first i think there is an important issue I would like resolved...Â
When you sayÂ
JoeyKnothead wrote:
I propose it's having the honor and integrity to just fess up when you've been stuck you by either your outright lies, or your obvious errors.
This is suggesting i (or someone) has outright lied about something, or said something of obvious errors...Â
What is it that I (or someone) has lied about, or said something with obvious errors? Or am i not understanding you? This would constitute as "slander" if it isnt actually supported with evidence.
I reject any argument that I'm in violation of the rules, 'til it is a mod shakes 'em their head at me, all forlornly and all, like they they just had to did, and I'm so embarrassed they had to do. Really, I don't know what brought that about, but I'm shamed of it.
I was asked to propose how my "beliefs for righteousness are true" and offered me up a definition of the relevant term, such that we might be able to determine us all about it.
That the liar, that the fraud might gettem upset by that definition, is, I contend, well how 'bout that.
That the liar, or the fraud might think my proffered definition points to them directly is, I propose, well how 'bout that.
We're in debate here. We're in us a-seekin' the truth. I'll not be shamed nor suffered to find there's some here among us who can't show they speak it. And get upset when their failure jumps it to the top of the page.
The only thing the liar has to fear, the only thing the fraud has to fear, is being exposed.
Who of y'all here just set to fret?
I might be Teddy Roosevelt, but I ain't.
-Punkinhead Martin
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Post #61
Who even understands this? I cant decipher this language...JoeyKnothead wrote: from Post 58:
(Edit to change referenced post from 57 to 58, and y'all's welcome to pick on me about it.)
Please note, there's buttons there folks can push, and how 'bout that, the mods jump in and there we go.Tart wrote: Id like to respond to a few things in this comment, but first i think there is an important issue I would like resolved...Â
When you sayÂ
JoeyKnothead wrote:
I propose it's having the honor and integrity to just fess up when you've been stuck you by either your outright lies, or your obvious errors.
This is suggesting i (or someone) has outright lied about something, or said something of obvious errors...Â
What is it that I (or someone) has lied about, or said something with obvious errors? Or am i not understanding you? This would constitute as "slander" if it isnt actually supported with evidence.
I reject any argument that I'm in violation of the rules, 'til it is a mod shakes 'em their head at me, all forlornly and all, like they they just had to did, and I'm so embarrassed they had to do. Really, I don't know what brought that about, but I'm shamed of it.
I was asked to propose how my "beliefs for righteousness are true" and offered me up a definition of the relevant term, such that we might be able to determine us all about it.
That the liar, that the fraud might gettem upset by that definition, is, I contend, well how 'bout that.
That the liar, or the fraud might think my proffered definition points to them directly is, I propose, well how 'bout that.
We're in debate here. We're in us a-seekin' the truth. I'll not be shamed nor suffered to find there's some here among us who can't show they speak it. And get upset when their failure jumps it to the top of the page.
The only thing the liar has to fear, the only thing the fraud has to fear, is being exposed.
Who of y'all here just set to fret?
Im simply asking, who is lying? About what? Who has said errors? How so?
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Moderator CommentJoeyKnothead wrote: That the liar, that the fraud might gettem upset by that definition, is, I contend, well how 'bout that.
That the liar, or the fraud might think my proffered definition points to them directly is, I propose, well how 'bout that.
The only thing the liar has to fear, the only thing the fraud has to fear, is being exposed.
You are pushing it with the implication of lying, even if you aren't saying it out loud. Just address the post, point out where you think a false statement has been made.
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Post #63
I'm at fault here, on that there can be no question.
I 'pologize for my rude behavior, and deserve every ounce of derision that comes my way.
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I 'pologize for my rude behavior, and deserve every ounce of derision that comes my way.
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I might be Teddy Roosevelt, but I ain't.
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Post #64
Well to be clear, i didnt think it was that rude, though i cant understand the things you write. I thought it was more like, unsupported claims.JoeyKnothead wrote: I'm at fault here, on that there can be no question.
I 'pologize for my rude behavior, and deserve every ounce of derision that comes my way.
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But your apology is honorable...
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Re: Does Christianity enhance your mental health?
Post #65Having been a Christian since my birth, my faith comes part and parcel with (Kantian) ethical and moral character. So I'm strengthened by my faith yet the Kantian Ethics and Christian Faith seem so bound to each other that I'm unsure if I can say that I can have the one without the other.Jagella wrote: In an older thread, The Mental-Illness Theory of Religion, I received the following response:
Question for Debate:In what ways has your Christian faith and practice improved your mental health?bjs wrote: Second, in response to historia you wrote:The first part of that statement is clearly true. In Psychology Today psychologist Rob Whitley wrote:Jagella wrote: Some claim religious belief can be beneficial mentally, and others have come to the opposite conclusion
“The amassed research indicates that higher levels of religious belief and practice (known in social science as “religiosity�) is associated with better mental health.�
Clearly then, it must be understood that both Christian ethics and faith make the existence of one another yet there has been a point in life that I've made a slight verdict on life and I've chosen God and Christianity. However, there may well be people who go with decency and having a conscience as rule of life and later come to realise that Christianity speaks for their human nature as well.
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