Is Jesus mediator only for the "anointed class" of JWs?

[MissKate13]

If true, then WHO mediates for the rest of the Jehovahs Witnesses?

[tam]

Peace to you,

You modified your question so I am going to modify my response. My modification will be in bold.

Peace to you,

Peace to you,

ALL of ISRAEL was included in the old covenant.

That is because they agreed to it. (Ex 19:1-8)
When did ALL of mankind agree to the New Covenant? Scripture please.

Where have I ever said that all of mankind is in the new covenant?

Ok all Christianity?

Not the religion.

Christians, themselves.


Where did the Christians in the New Testament agree to being part of the new covenant. There I think you might find the answer to the question you are asking me. If not, then I will respond further.


Peace again.

I didn't agree to anything. So show me in the scriptures, the agreement I agreed to.

If you do not agree to being part of the new covenant, then you will not be part of the new covenant. That does not mean you could not be part of the new covenant. Only that you do not agree to it.

But this has no bearing on the question you asked me.


You added 'or anyone' to your request so that it reads:

"So show me in the scriptures the agreement I or anyone agreed to."

If no one in the scriptures agreed to be part of the new covenant, then why are you asking me a question as if that kind of agreement is required? If that agreement was indeed given in the scriptures, then you have the answer to your question.



Peace again to you.

[MissKate13]

[Replying to Eloi in post #43]

All Christians are anointed!

Anyone who believes Jesus is the Son of God and follows Him enters the new covenant.

[tam]

Peace to you,

Is John the Baptizer in the new covenant?

NO, he is not. So, not all Christians are in the new covenant.

From your own literature, John the Baptist is said to be from the pre-Christian era.

The last and greatest pre-Christian witness was John the Baptist. (Matthew 11:11) He was privileged to announce the coming of the Chosen One, and he introduced Jesus as the promised Messiah.

w95 9/1 p. 13-14


(Though he will have his own place in the Kingdom.)


Peace again.

[2timothy316]

[Replying to tam in post #61]
I don't see your point. You kept stressing ALL Israel but ALL Israel were not priest and kings. No one could just choose to be a priest or king either. They had to be appointed and those that tried to take the position of a priest or king without God's appointment where punished. So, I need to see in the scriptures how you're tying all this together.

[Eloi]

Is John the Baptizer in the new covenant?

NO, he is not. So, not all Christians are in the new covenant.

Why do you think that John the Baptist is not included in the New Covenant if according to Jesus there was no man greater than him "among those born of women"?

Matt. 11:11 Truly I say to you, among those born of women, there has not been raised up anyone greater than John the Baptist, but a lesser person in the Kingdom of the heavens is greater than he is.

Those persons "in the Kingdom of heavens" are/will be the ones included in the New Covenant. John the Baptizer is not... Why won't John the Baptist be king and priest in heaven with Jesus? Doesn't that mean that not all Christians are included in that covenant?

Rev. 1:5 (...) Jesus Christ, "the Faithful Witness," "the firstborn from the dead," and "the Ruler of the kings of the earth." To him who loves us and who set us free from our sins by means of his own blood 6 and he made us to be a kingdom, priests to his God and Fatheryes, to him be the glory and the might forever. Amen.

PS: obviously the great crowd of survivors of the great tribulation are also not included, as discussed in a previous comment.

When did the new covenant come into force and who were the first included?

[MissKate13]

[Replying to tam in post #61]
I don't see your point. You kept stressing ALL Israel but ALL Israel were not priest and kings. No one could just choose to be a priest or king either. They had to be appointed and those that tried to take the position of a priest or king without God's appointment where punished. So, I need to see in the scriptures how you're tying all this together.

All physical Israel were not priests and kings. All spiritual Israel is. Those who were and are baptized into Christ and do what He says are spiritual Israel. Three-thousand souls entered into the new covenant on Pentecost. Thousands more were continually added and have been since that day. Jesus is their mediator.

36Therefore let all Israel know with certainty that God has made this Jesus, whom you crucified, both Lord and Christ!"

37When the people heard this, they were cut to the heart and asked Peter and the other apostles, "Brothers, what shall we do?"

Acts 2
38Peter replied, "Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins, and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. 39This promise belongs to you and your children and to all who are far offto all whom the Lord our God will call to Himself."

40With many other words he testified, and he urged them, "Be saved from this corrupt generation." 41Those who embraced his message were baptized, and about three thousand were added to the believers that day.

46With one accord they continued to meet daily in the temple courtsl and to break bread from house to house, sharing their meals with gladness and sincerity of heart, 47praising God and enjoying the favor of all the people. And the Lord added to their number daily those who were being saved.

[MissKate13]

[Replying to Eloi in post #65]

John the baptizer lived and died under the old law. When Jesus shed His blood on the cross, His sacrifice was applied to all the righteous people prior to that time.

[Eloi]

In Rev. 7:4-8 is said that 144000 persons are "taken out of" those 12 symbolic tribes of Israel. If there is one "Israel" out of which those persons are taken out, it is obvious that there is a small group taken out of a bigger group.

Luke 12:32 "Have no fear, little flock, for your Father has approved of giving you the Kingdom.

[2timothy316]

[Replying to tam in post #61]
I don't see your point. You kept stressing ALL Israel but ALL Israel were not priest and kings. No one could just choose to be a priest or king either. They had to be appointed and those that tried to take the position of a priest or king without God's appointment where punished. So, I need to see in the scriptures how you're tying all this together.

All physical Israel were not priests and kings. All spiritual Israel is.

Agreed.

Those who were and are baptized into Christ and do what He says are spiritual Israel.

There is more to it then that. They are the ones that are chosen as a special possession. Contrary to popular belief, one can't just choose themselves for service in Heaven. That why the term 'anointed' is used. There is no example in the Bible of a person anointing themselves. It is only Jehovah God who makes this choice. They will also be kings and priests.

While there will be kings and priest, every Christian can't be a king and priest over other kings and priest, don't you agree? Kings rule and priests teach. Who will they teach?

Are you starting to see why I say I don't have a mediator? The Bible doesn't say I need a mediator for my sins. A mediator doesn't forgive sins. John 3:16 tells us what does that. Those JWs not of the anointed class will be the people that those kings and priest govern. Those that have the hope of living forever on earth are completely fine with that because these 144,000 will rule like Christ Jesus and who wouldn't want those with the traits like Jesus to be their kings and teachers?

[tam]

Peace to you,

[Replying to tam in post #61]
I don't see your point. You kept stressing ALL Israel but ALL Israel were not priest and kings.

But ALL ISRAEL was in the old covenant.

Some of you keep using the fact that Israel had both priests and common people as an example that not all Christians are in the new covenant. But that makes no sense, because all of Israel was in the old covenant - regardless of their status.

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(Please remember that Israel only had human kings set over them because they WANTED it that way. They were supposed to have had only JAH, but they wanted men to rule them as kings, so that they could be like other nations. Then JAH chose kings for them.)


All of Israel would have reigned as kings-priests in the Kingdom IF all of Israel had accepted Christ - and the gentiles invited in would have been subjects of that Kingdom. However, not all of Israel did accept Christ, so the invitation opened up to the rest of the world as well. The natural branches and the in-grafted branches who are in Christ will all reign in the Kingdom as king-priests.

Christians (natural and in-grafted branches to Israel) will reign with Christ as king-priests in His Kingdom for at least a thousand years.

Non-Christians (who are invited in) will be the subjects of that Kingdom.

No one could just choose to be a priest or king either.

Yes, agreed.

People do not just choose (on their own) to become Christian either. Christ is the One who chooses to whom He gives holy spirit (as described with the apostles, and at Pentecost, and with Cornelius and his family). Holy spirit is what people are anointed with, and it is what makes them Christian... aka... anointed ones.

Not baptism by water (unless by 'water' one means 'the water of life'. The water of life is holy spirit that Christ gives; that is the baptism of holy spirit that Christ performs. John 1:33)


And again, there is no such thing as any other kind of Christian in what is written. ALL Christians were anointed, part of the Body of Christ, the Church, the Bride. ALL Christians were to reign with Christ as king-priests (provided they remained in Him).



Peace again to you,
your servant and a slave of Christ,
tammy