Democracy is Unbiblical

[StuartJ]

In the biblical folklore, some of the millions of folks in the mixed multitude wandering in the wilderness objected to the dictatorship of Moses and his sidekick Aaron:

They gathered themselves together against Moses and against Aaron, and said unto them, Ye take too much upon you, seeing all the congregation are holy, every one of them, and Yahweh is among them: wherefore then lift ye up yourselves above the congregation of Yahweh?

The probably fictional Moses and the sidekick he would later defrock, were none too pleased.

But the definitely fictional Yahweh had it sorted:

And the earth opened her mouth, and swallowed them up, and their houses, and all the men that appertained unto Korah, and all their goods. They, and all that appertained to them, went down alive into the pit, and the earth closed upon them: and they perished from among the congregation. And all Israel that were round about them fled at the cry of them: for they said, Lest the earth swallow us up also.
And there came out a fire from Yahweh, and consumed the two hundred and fifty men that offered incense.

So, there we have it ... Yahweh wants HIS chosen dictator to be running the show in HIS name ...

And he'll have the earth swallow those with notions of democracy.

(I can't see how you can possibly read philosophy, or poetry, or love into this nasty little tale either, BTW. It looks like more human politics to me.)

And for centuries, Christian popes were sure that THEY should be ruling the world in Jesus' mighty name ... but only until he comes back with more fire and hail mixed with blood.

So, should we set Pope Francis, or Benny Hinn, or Pat Robertson (a woman would NEVER do) or some other senior white male over us as Theocrat ... as the "Word of God" quite clearly intends ...?

[NervyGuy]

Well I cannot debate your feelings; they are what they are. Are you suggesting there is something unscriptural about this idea? I say this because I am just refering to what the bible says (PLEASE NOTE I am not suggesting anyone in this forum must accept the bible as TRUE only that that is where I got the information)

OK, if you'd ever like to try to explain why you think the Bible is the Word of God, I'll be happy to engage that discussion with you.

I've asked many JWs, and others, but have never had much luck with getting someone to engage the question.

[JehovahsWitness]

OK, if you'd ever like to try to explain why you think the Bible is the Word of God, I'll be happy to engage that discussion with you.

If you would like to ask the question (create a thread) HERE I will certainly consider doing so.
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I am redirecting you as there are forum rules against derailing threads and your question is unrelated to the OP (This thread's topic).




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[StuartJ]

Well I cannot debate your feelings; they are what they are. Are you suggesting there is something unscriptural about this idea? I say this because I am just refering to what the bible says (PLEASE NOTE I am not suggesting anyone in this forum must accept the bible as TRUE only that that is where I got the information)

OK, if you'd ever like to try to explain why you think the Bible is the Word of God, I'll be happy to engage that discussion with you.

I've asked many JWs, and others, but have never had much luck with getting someone to engage the question.

I shall don my Hat of Prophecy and predict ...

That not one person of faith here will demonstrate that they are dealing with the "Word of God" ...

But they will continue to behave/pretend that they are.

In my veiw, delusion often turns into deception ...

And "authority" is invoked.

[marco]

So you envision an army of angels, led by Jesus, against an army of demons led by Satan?

I've gotta say that just doesn't seem right to me. It reminds me of the space alien invasions where humans are running around with guns or lasers and aliens are blasting away at them. ...... Isn't your God omnipotent?

God is what humans make him. In human terms it is sensible and sad for armies to fight each other, so why not invent armies of angels and armies of demons? The absurdity doesn't make any difference, since we are firmly in the realm of the absurd. Imaginative human beings gave us the novels of Dostoyevsky, the thoughts of Proust, the sonnets of Shakespeare, the Aeneid of Virgil, plunged us with Beatrice into Dante's Inferno or let us stand with Keats on a point in Darien before we found all was quiet on the Western Front or made monuments with Horace more lasting than bronze... sad, then, that other humans present, as real, cohorts of angels fighting sky-battles against airy demons. Humanity moves sadly from sublime to ridiculous in simple steps.

Meanwhile, we wonder if democracy is unbiblical. Do the angel warriors vote?

[NervyGuy]

Meanwhile, we wonder if democracy is unbiblical. Do the angel warriors vote?

We should consider building a wall against the demon warriors. I know that much.

[StuartJ]

So you envision an army of angels, led by Jesus, against an army of demons led by Satan?

I've gotta say that just doesn't seem right to me. It reminds me of the space alien invasions where humans are running around with guns or lasers and aliens are blasting away at them. ...... Isn't your God omnipotent?

God is what humans make him. In human terms it is sensible and sad for armies to fight each other, so why not invent armies of angels and armies of demons? The absurdity doesn't make any difference, since we are firmly in the realm of the absurd. Imaginative human beings gave us the novels of Dostoyevsky, the thoughts of Proust, the sonnets of Shakespeare, the Aeneid of Virgil, plunged us with Beatrice into Dante's Inferno or let us stand with Keats on a point in Darien before we found all was quiet on the Western Front or made monuments with Horace more lasting than bronze... sad, then, that other humans present, as real, cohorts of angels fighting sky-battles against airy demons. Humanity moves sadly from sublime to ridiculous in simple steps.

Meanwhile, we wonder if democracy is unbiblical. Do the angel warriors vote?

What a superbly written and knowledgeable response ...

Thank you.

I suspect the Christian afterlife is a Triumvirate Dictatorship, but I also suspect, with your level of convincing eloquence, you may be able to influence the Leadership into ameliorating certain of their earlier edicts, and persons with flat noses and damaged genitalia, for example, may be permitted to pass through the Pearly Gates.

If the Christian Heaven had been a democracy, would "God" have opened the windows of the Dome of Heaven and let in the waters of the Universe outside ...?

What was the vote for sending Jesus down into the uterus of the BVM ...?

Yahweh for ...

Jesus against ...

Casting vote to the Holy Ghost ...?

In a democratic Heaven, would we be allowed a slice of bacon in our panis angelicus ...?

[marco]

Meanwhile, we wonder if democracy is unbiblical. Do the angel warriors vote?

We should consider building a wall against the demon warriors. I know that much.

And we can. It is made of the stuff of education and culture, and its cement is question and search. We need not and should not discard our past, but we can learn from it. We have learned - some of us - that burning our fellow beings because they see things in a new way is rather tasteless. One day we might all laugh at the gods that trouble our present existence, then there will be no need for any walls of any kind.

[marco]

you may be able to influence the Leadership into ameliorating certain of their earlier edicts, and persons with flat noses and damaged genitalia, for example, may be permitted to pass through the Pearly Gates.

I think you have countered all the proofs of Aquinas by the mention of those debarred from office by Yahweh. I have found nothing to suggest that Yahweh succumbs to reason; rather he appreciates humiliation, idiotic sacrifices of poor animals and dumb servility. It is miraculous that any civilisation with this thing as its central totem has put men on the moon, but we have advanced more by ignoring than obeying biblical lore. We effectively killed one of our brightest mathematicians, Turing, because of the nonsense in the OT.


Religious democracy is for a better age, I think.