Muslim claims of scientific accuracy in the Quran

[OnceConvinced]

In another thread:

Actually look through the Book(it's online I provide the link below lol) before you discredit it. I know the Title may throw you off, and you'll probably click the exit right then and there... but go through it.. check the table of contents and see whats most interesting...

http://www.sunnahonline.com/ilm/quran/qms.pdf

*~In reality what is in it could not have been known 1,400 years ago. So it proves God exists... and if you don't think so, well it lessens the chances that he doesn't... If you think one is vague go on to the next one, I assure you most of the verses are direct statements that meet up with what is now known.

Does this document prove that the Quran contains knowledge of the world that primitive man couldn't possibly have known? Does it prove that Allah is the one true God? Please justify your response.

[Apple Pie]

Obviously, you do not understand what the term 'context' means. He showed the words of the Sura, and how the word was used. Something you failed to do.

A "sura" is a chapter, brother....and we both know that a chapter was not referenced.

Try again...

This is an English speaking site. Do you understand English?

If you want to debate the Koran, then you must understand that it was not written in English, brother.

Do you understand
I am not your brother?

Modern science would disagree with you.

I don't. You are doing the technique known as 'Transference' where you project your faults onto others.

How would you know that if you were not already experienced doing that yourself, brother?

Now, please demonstrate you know what the term 'context' means, and show that the word means 'evil' in context. IF you do not. well, then you are just blowing smoke so to speak.

You must first agree to the classic definition that has been provided, brother.

Defining a word that you want to use as an argument must first be defined.

Surely you are aware of this most elementary point...

[Scotracer]

Do you understand
I am not your brother?

Modern science would disagree with you.

Brother means same parents. You definitely don't share the same parents.

[Apple Pie]

Do you understand
I am not your brother?

Modern science would disagree with you.

Brother means same parents. You definitely don't share the same parents.

According to "Y" chromosomal Adam, we all share the same original male.

So...yes...we are all brothers...

[Scotracer]

Do you understand
I am not your brother?

Modern science would disagree with you.

Brother means same parents. You definitely don't share the same parents.

According to "Y" chromosomal Adam, we all share the same original male.

So...yes...we are all brothers...

No, we are all related. Distant cousins...not brothers.

[Goat]

Do you understand
I am not your brother?

Modern science would disagree with you.

Brother means same parents. You definitely don't share the same parents.

According to "Y" chromosomal Adam, we all share the same original male.

So...yes...we are all brothers...

No.. not brothers.. distant cousins maybe.. but not brothers.

My mother did not give birth to you. Nor did my father ever meet your mother.

[Apple Pie]

Do you understand
I am not your brother?

Modern science would disagree with you.

Brother means same parents. You definitely don't share the same parents.

According to "Y" chromosomal Adam, we all share the same original male.

So...yes...we are all brothers...

No, we are all related. Distant cousins...not brothers.

We all share the same original father and the same original mother.

Just as told in the Holy Bible....and only just recently confirmed by science.

[Tiberius47]

If any religion can show that its holy tet contains clear, unambiguous scientific information that the people of the time could not possibly know, I'll convert to that religion.

I do believe my atheism is safe....

Religious scriptures can show you signs as guidance only, it wont give you totaly formulaes etc etc so what kind of scientific proof you want in any kind of religion friend?

A passage in a holy text that said something like...

And the Earth moved in a great circle around the sun, held in place by the sun's mass. And the circle was not perfect, but was longer in one direction than the perpendicular, and the passage of the Earth swept out equal areas in equal times. And the sun shone with the light of its tiniest parts coming together.

That neatly describes a heliocentric solar system, elliptical orbits, Kepler's second law of planetary motion, gravity (as well as what causes it) and references the nuclear fusion which keeps the sun burning.

A god would be perfectly capable of communicating that knowledge to ancient people, and it is something that could not possibly be known to those people.

Any religious text with knowlege like this - clear, unambiguous and unknowable to the people of the time - would be very strong evidence for the validity of that religion.

And yet, when we look, we never find anything like this!

I may quote you few verses, and their detail, to make it understand, if this is what you are refering.


Consider the following
Quraanic verse: It is He Who created The Night and the Day, And the
sun and the moon: All (the celestial bodies) Swim along, each in its
Rounded course. [Al-Quraan 21:33]

That's a very vague description of elliptical orbits that sweep out equal areas in equal times, with the sun at one focus of the ellipse, doncha think?

The Arabic word used in the above verse is yasbahn . The word yasbahn is
derived from the word sabaha. It carries with it the idea of motion that comesfrom any moving body. If you use the word for a man on the ground, it would
not mean that he is rolling but would mean he is walking or running. If you
use the word for a man in water it would not mean that he is floating but
would mean that he is swimming.
Similarly, if you use the word yasbah for a celestial body such as the sun it
would not mean that it is only flying through space but would mean that it is
also rotating as it goes through space. Most of the school textbooks have
incorporated the fact that the sun rotates about its axis. The rotation of the sun
about its own axis can be proved with the help of an equipment that projects
the image of the sun on the table top so that one can examine the image of the
sun without being blinded. It is noticed that the sun has spots which complete
a circular motion once every 25 days i.e. the sun takes approximately 25 days
to rotate around its axis.
In fact, the sun travels through space at roughly 150 miles per second, and
takes about 200 million years to complete one revolution around the center of
our Milky Way Galaxy.

Unfortunately, NONE of that information is included in the passage from the Koran! So how do we know that the people who wrote that passage were aware of all that nifty information?

It is not permitted To the Sun to catch up The Moon, nor can The Night
outstrip the Day: Each (just) swims along In (its own) orbit (According to
Law). [Al-Quraan 36:40]This verse mentions an essential fact discovered by modern astronomy, i.e.
the existence of the individual orbits of the Sun and the Moon, and their
journey through space with their own motion. The fixed place towards,
which the sun travels, carrying with it the solar system, has been located
exactly by modern astronomy. It has been given a name, the Solar Apex. The
solar system is indeed moving in space towards a point situated in the
constellation of Hercules (alpha Layer) whose exact location is firmly
established.
The moon rotates around its axis in the same duration that it takes to revolve
around the earth. It takes approximately 29 days to complete one rotation.
One cannot help but be amazed at the scientific accuracy of the Quraanic verses. Should we not ponder over the question: What was the source of
knowledge contained in the Quraan?

Again, the passage you quoted reveals NONE of this information. All you are doing is interpreting passages in a certain way, without knowing that that is how the original writers of those passages intended for them to be interpreted.

[TrueReligion]

Do you understand
I am not your brother?

Modern science would disagree with you.

Brother means same parents. You definitely don't share the same parents.

haha, liked it dude

[TrueReligion]

If any religion can show that its holy tet contains clear, unambiguous scientific information that the people of the time could not possibly know, I'll convert to that religion.

I do believe my atheism is safe....

Religious scriptures can show you signs as guidance only, it wont give you totaly formulaes etc etc so what kind of scientific proof you want in any kind of religion friend?

A passage in a holy text that said something like...

And the Earth moved in a great circle around the sun, held in place by the sun's mass. And the circle was not perfect, but was longer in one direction than the perpendicular, and the passage of the Earth swept out equal areas in equal times. And the sun shone with the light of its tiniest parts coming together.

That neatly describes a heliocentric solar system, elliptical orbits, Kepler's second law of planetary motion, gravity (as well as what causes it) and references the nuclear fusion which keeps the sun burning.

A god would be perfectly capable of communicating that knowledge to ancient people, and it is something that could not possibly be known to those people.

Any religious text with knowlege like this - clear, unambiguous and unknowable to the people of the time - would be very strong evidence for the validity of that religion.

And yet, when we look, we never find anything like this!

I may quote you few verses, and their detail, to make it understand, if this is what you are refering.


Consider the following
Quraanic verse: It is He Who created The Night and the Day, And the
sun and the moon: All (the celestial bodies) Swim along, each in its
Rounded course. [Al-Quraan 21:33]

That's a very vague description of elliptical orbits that sweep out equal areas in equal times, with the sun at one focus of the ellipse, doncha think?

The Arabic word used in the above verse is yasbahn . The word yasbahn is
derived from the word sabaha. It carries with it the idea of motion that comesfrom any moving body. If you use the word for a man on the ground, it would
not mean that he is rolling but would mean he is walking or running. If you
use the word for a man in water it would not mean that he is floating but
would mean that he is swimming.
Similarly, if you use the word yasbah for a celestial body such as the sun it
would not mean that it is only flying through space but would mean that it is
also rotating as it goes through space. Most of the school textbooks have
incorporated the fact that the sun rotates about its axis. The rotation of the sun
about its own axis can be proved with the help of an equipment that projects
the image of the sun on the table top so that one can examine the image of the
sun without being blinded. It is noticed that the sun has spots which complete
a circular motion once every 25 days i.e. the sun takes approximately 25 days
to rotate around its axis.
In fact, the sun travels through space at roughly 150 miles per second, and
takes about 200 million years to complete one revolution around the center of
our Milky Way Galaxy.

Unfortunately, NONE of that information is included in the passage from the Koran! So how do we know that the people who wrote that passage were aware of all that nifty information?

It is not permitted To the Sun to catch up The Moon, nor can The Night
outstrip the Day: Each (just) swims along In (its own) orbit (According to
Law). [Al-Quraan 36:40]This verse mentions an essential fact discovered by modern astronomy, i.e.
the existence of the individual orbits of the Sun and the Moon, and their
journey through space with their own motion. The fixed place towards,
which the sun travels, carrying with it the solar system, has been located
exactly by modern astronomy. It has been given a name, the Solar Apex. The
solar system is indeed moving in space towards a point situated in the
constellation of Hercules (alpha Layer) whose exact location is firmly
established.
The moon rotates around its axis in the same duration that it takes to revolve
around the earth. It takes approximately 29 days to complete one rotation.
One cannot help but be amazed at the scientific accuracy of the Quraanic verses. Should we not ponder over the question: What was the source of
knowledge contained in the Quraan?

Again, the passage you quoted reveals NONE of this information. All you are doing is interpreting passages in a certain way, without knowing that that is how the original writers of those passages intended for them to be interpreted.

I told you earlier before I refered to the verses, that no religious scripture will give you full formula, or full detail, they give you SIGNS, and it say that people with sense and understanding will get the perfect idea.
Like in embryology, at that ancient time 1400 or before, people dont know completly the process of child birth and etc.
And its given as well , that there are 3 layers of darkness, and whats the formation in stages etc etc, whch is proven by science as well.
Lastly I provided you with the link as well, you can browse in your free time, and get the idea of your field of interest.

Hope it answer your question.

[TrueReligion]

Do you understand
I am not your brother?

Modern science would disagree with you.

Brother means same parents. You definitely don't share the same parents.

According to "Y" chromosomal Adam, we all share the same original male.

So...yes...we are all brothers...

No, we are all related. Distant cousins...not brothers.

We all share the same original father and the same original mother.

Just as told in the Holy Bible....and only just recently confirmed by science.

Science confirmed this that Smoke is equal to Evil?