Origin of non-christian religions

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Origin of non-christian religions

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Hi everyone,

I would like to ask question about origin of non-christian religions (this is my first post :-), I'm christian )
OK - so I've been thinking and idea came:
As a christian, I believe in God, his creation of universe . There are, however, other religions such as buddhism, taoism, muslim, etc.
They don't believe in God *AND* because God is one who created universe (and they don't believe in him), their gods doesn't exist. Because there is good (God) and then evil (absence of God) - and they don't believe in him, are they product of evil (I mean those religions) ?
Are they work of evil to draw attention not to God, but to something other ?
OK, and last question - (if answer to last question is yes) - are those people evil / bad becouse there are spreading their non-christian religion ? (maybe there don't mean to do bad thing - they believe that they are doing good, but unknowingly doing bad)

(DISCLAIMER: I do not want to harass or find excuse to disdain non-christian people, I just want to know answer to stated questions)

Many thanks

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Goat wrote:
happy forever wrote:
Goat wrote:
happy forever wrote:
Then why not to develop iron and sand and grant them feeling and produce machines that can feel.

We are made from dust and to dust we return.

How in this small period (counted years), a dust can be alive?
Define 'alive'. What is 'alive' but a very special set of chemical reactions? There are plants that are thousands of years old. Single celled animals reproduce by fission. Are the two 'offspring' the same, or did the original one 'die'?
Why do you neglect the other questions?

What chemical reaction? Who cause these chemical reactions?

Who created you?
Can you show that there was a WHO, without resorting to religious promotional materials?

As for 'who created me'.. my parents had sex.. and that act created that which became me.
Your question is unlogical and your answer is not acceptable by any mind.

I ask you who created and you say my parents?!
Ask them why they choose specifically you?

Act doesn't create.

Logical clear answer please.

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happy forever wrote:
bernee51 wrote:
happy forever wrote:
bernee51 wrote:

This is love: to fly toward a secret sky,

to cause a hundred veils to fall each moment.

First, to let go of live.

In the end, to take a step without feet;

to regard this world as invisible,

and to disregard what appears to be the self.



Heart, I said, what a gift it has been

to enter this circle of lovers,

to see beyond seeing itself,

to reach and feel within the breast.
How a vessel has such a deep feeling, good man?
There must be an evolutionary advantage...just has there has been in inventing god.
Then why not to develop iron and sand and grant them feeling and produce machines that can feel.
This is what is known as a straw man argument.

If you are here to learn then, in Allh, this will mean something to you.
happy forever wrote: We are made from dust and to dust we return.
Carl Sagan noted that we are all star dust...I have to agree. At the level of the physiosphere - the atoms and molecules of existence - we are indeed made of the same materials (in differing combinations) as everything else. We are one with the universe of which we are part.
happy forever wrote: How in this small period (counted years), a dust can be alive?
What small period do you refer to?

You do realise that a single cell can become a human in only 280 days.
"Whatever you are totally ignorant of, assert to be the explanation of everything else"

William James quoting Dr. Hodgson

"When I see I am nothing, that is wisdom. When I see I am everything, that is love. My life is a movement between these two."

Nisargadatta Maharaj

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bernee51 wrote:
happy forever wrote:
bernee51 wrote:
happy forever wrote:
bernee51 wrote:

This is love: to fly toward a secret sky,

to cause a hundred veils to fall each moment.

First, to let go of live.

In the end, to take a step without feet;

to regard this world as invisible,

and to disregard what appears to be the self.



Heart, I said, what a gift it has been

to enter this circle of lovers,

to see beyond seeing itself,

to reach and feel within the breast.
How a vessel has such a deep feeling, good man?
There must be an evolutionary advantage...just has there has been in inventing god.
Then why not to develop iron and sand and grant them feeling and produce machines that can feel.
This is what is known as a straw man argument.

If you are here to learn then, in Allh, this will mean something to you.
happy forever wrote: We are made from dust and to dust we return.
Carl Sagan noted that we are all star dust...I have to agree. At the level of the physiosphere - the atoms and molecules of existence - we are indeed made of the same materials (in differing combinations) as everything else. We are one with the universe of which we are part..
That is the difference between dead and alive then?
What small period do you refer to?
You do realise that a single cell can become a human in only 280 days
Is it magic? A cell turns to a human?

You have many cells, choose one of them and create a human.

I want a logical answer. Parents and acts and cells are not creators. Do you know what is meant by create?
It means to make something from nothing but it is not magic like a cell turns a human and a seed turns a tree. Who created everything from nothing?

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happy forever wrote:
Is it magic? A cell turns to a human?

You have many cells, choose one of them and create a human.

I want a logical answer. Parents and acts and cells are not creators. Do you know what is meant by create?
It means to make something from nothing but it is not magic like a cell turns a human and a seed turns a tree. Who created everything from nothing?
Why must there be a who? You have not answered that.

As for cells,, it's all chemistry. No superenatural entity to 'create' anything is needed
“What do you think science is? There is nothing magical about science. It is simply a systematic way for carefully and thoroughly observing nature and using consistent logic to evaluate results. So which part of that exactly do you disagree with? Do you disagree with being thorough? Using careful observation? Being systematic? Or using consistent logic?�

Steven Novella

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happy forever wrote:
bernee51 wrote:
happy forever wrote:
bernee51 wrote:
happy forever wrote:
bernee51 wrote:

This is love: to fly toward a secret sky, to cause a hundred veils to fall each moment.
First, to let go of life.
In the end, to take a step without feet; to regard this world as invisible, and to disregard what appears to be the self.
Heart, I said, what a gift it has been to enter this circle of lovers, to see beyond seeing itself, to reach and feel within the breast.
How a vessel has such a deep feeling, good man?
There must be an evolutionary advantage...just has there has been in inventing god.
Then why not to develop iron and sand and grant them feeling and produce machines that can feel.
This is what is known as a straw man argument.
If you are here to learn then, in Allh, this will mean something to you.
happy forever wrote: We are made from dust and to dust we return.
Carl Sagan noted that we are all star dust...I have to agree. At the level of the physiosphere - the atoms and molecules of existence - we are indeed made of the same materials (in differing combinations) as everything else. We are one with the universe of which we are part..
That is the difference between dead and alive then?
Sorry, I do no understand this comment. What is the point you are trying to make?
happy forever wrote:
What small period do you refer to?
You do realise that a single cell can become a human in only 280 days
Is it magic? A cell turns to a human?
No it is biology.
happy forever wrote: You have many cells, choose one of them and create a human.
Several of my cells has contributed to making several humans
happy forever wrote: I want a logical answer.
Then ask logical questions.
happy forever wrote: Parents and acts and cells are not creators. Do you know what is meant by create?
The definition is here...quite simple really.

happy forever wrote: It means to make something from nothing...
No it doesnt, that is what you WANT it to mean...review the definition.
happy forever wrote: ... but it is not magic like a cell turns a human and a seed turns a tree. Who created everything from nothing?
Nobody.

Who is claiming that something came from nothing?
"Whatever you are totally ignorant of, assert to be the explanation of everything else"

William James quoting Dr. Hodgson

"When I see I am nothing, that is wisdom. When I see I am everything, that is love. My life is a movement between these two."

Nisargadatta Maharaj

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Goat wrote:
happy forever wrote:
Is it magic? A cell turns to a human?

You have many cells, choose one of them and create a human.

I want a logical answer. Parents and acts and cells are not creators. Do you know what is meant by create?
It means to make something from nothing but it is not magic like a cell turns a human and a seed turns a tree. Who created everything from nothing?
Why must there be a who? You have not answered that.

As for cells,, it's all chemistry. No superenatural entity to 'create' anything is needed

Who granted you your eyes to see and your ears to hear?!

Who made you a man from sperm?!

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bernee51 wrote:
happy forever wrote:
bernee51 wrote:
happy forever wrote:
bernee51 wrote:
happy forever wrote:
bernee51 wrote:

This is love: to fly toward a secret sky, to cause a hundred veils to fall each moment.
First, to let go of life.
In the end, to take a step without feet; to regard this world as invisible, and to disregard what appears to be the self.
Heart, I said, what a gift it has been to enter this circle of lovers, to see beyond seeing itself, to reach and feel within the breast.
How a vessel has such a deep feeling, good man?
There must be an evolutionary advantage...just has there has been in inventing god.
Then why not to develop iron and sand and grant them feeling and produce machines that can feel.
This is what is known as a straw man argument.
If you are here to learn then, in Allh, this will mean something to you.
happy forever wrote: We are made from dust and to dust we return.
Carl Sagan noted that we are all star dust...I have to agree. At the level of the physiosphere - the atoms and molecules of existence - we are indeed made of the same materials (in differing combinations) as everything else. We are one with the universe of which we are part..
That is the difference between dead and alive then?
Sorry, I do no understand this comment. What is the point you are trying to make?
happy forever wrote:
What small period do you refer to?
You do realise that a single cell can become a human in only 280 days
Is it magic? A cell turns to a human?
No it is biology.
happy forever wrote: You have many cells, choose one of them and create a human.
Several of my cells has contributed to making several humans
happy forever wrote: I want a logical answer.
Then ask logical questions.
happy forever wrote: Parents and acts and cells are not creators. Do you know what is meant by create?
The definition is here...quite simple really.

happy forever wrote: It means to make something from nothing...
No it doesnt, that is what you WANT it to mean...review the definition.
happy forever wrote: ... but it is not magic like a cell turns a human and a seed turns a tree. Who created everything from nothing?
Nobody.

Who is claiming that something came from nothing?
Who makes your heart beats and your mind thinks and your skin feel?
Who grants you different delicious fruits to eat and a wife to marry?
Who grants you tongue to taste and talk and very concerted teeth without mold?

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happy forever wrote:
Goat wrote:
happy forever wrote:
Is it magic? A cell turns to a human?

You have many cells, choose one of them and create a human.

I want a logical answer. Parents and acts and cells are not creators. Do you know what is meant by create?
It means to make something from nothing but it is not magic like a cell turns a human and a seed turns a tree. Who created everything from nothing?
Why must there be a who? You have not answered that.

As for cells,, it's all chemistry. No superenatural entity to 'create' anything is needed

Who granted you your eyes to see and your ears to hear?!

Who made you a man from sperm?!
You are using the logical fallacy known as 'begging the question', as well as implying the logical fallacy known as 'argument from ignorance'.


Now, rather than repeating the logical fallacy of begging the question, can you provide any evidence what so ever that it is a 'who', rather than nature, without referring to religious promotional materials?
“What do you think science is? There is nothing magical about science. It is simply a systematic way for carefully and thoroughly observing nature and using consistent logic to evaluate results. So which part of that exactly do you disagree with? Do you disagree with being thorough? Using careful observation? Being systematic? Or using consistent logic?�

Steven Novella

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Goat wrote:
happy forever wrote:
Goat wrote:
happy forever wrote:
Is it magic? A cell turns to a human?

You have many cells, choose one of them and create a human.

I want a logical answer. Parents and acts and cells are not creators. Do you know what is meant by create?
It means to make something from nothing but it is not magic like a cell turns a human and a seed turns a tree. Who created everything from nothing?
Why must there be a who? You have not answered that.

As for cells,, it's all chemistry. No superenatural entity to 'create' anything is needed

Who granted you your eyes to see and your ears to hear?!

Who made you a man from sperm?!
You are using the logical fallacy known as 'begging the question', as well as implying the logical fallacy known as 'argument from ignorance'.


can you provide any evidence what so ever that it is a 'who', rather than nature, without referring to religious promotional materials?
Ok.

A cake is in front of us (you and me).
Mary brought flour and eggs and milk and sugar and mixed them to make finally this cake. (The doer The God).
The rules followed which are mixing of the specific ingrediants with specific amount (the law of nature).

There are three things in front of you.
The God and you and nature and no logic can deny them.

Who deserves to be worshipped? You or nature or The God who created you and nature?

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happy forever wrote:
Goat wrote:
happy forever wrote:
Goat wrote:
happy forever wrote:
Is it magic? A cell turns to a human?

You have many cells, choose one of them and create a human.

I want a logical answer. Parents and acts and cells are not creators. Do you know what is meant by create?
It means to make something from nothing but it is not magic like a cell turns a human and a seed turns a tree. Who created everything from nothing?
Why must there be a who? You have not answered that.

As for cells,, it's all chemistry. No superenatural entity to 'create' anything is needed

Who granted you your eyes to see and your ears to hear?!

Who made you a man from sperm?!
You are using the logical fallacy known as 'begging the question', as well as implying the logical fallacy known as 'argument from ignorance'.


can you provide any evidence what so ever that it is a 'who', rather than nature, without referring to religious promotional materials?
Ok.

A cake is in front of us (you and me).
Mary brought flour and eggs and milk and sugar and mixed them to make finally this cake. (The doer The God).
The rules followed which are mixing of the specific ingrediants with specific amount (the law of nature).

There are three things in front of you.
The God and you and nature and no logic can deny them.

Who deserves to be worshipped? You or nature or The God who created you and nature?
None of them?

I'm assuming of course that his whole thing is a hypothetical, a made up scenario as you have thrown in a concept that I do not recognize as something that actually exists[God].
Religion feels to me a little like a Nigerian Prince scam. The "offer" is illegitimate, the "request" is unreasonable and the source is dubious, in fact, Nigeria doesn't even have a royal family.

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