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The coming of Gods kingdom is good news for all creation. A complete reversal of this satan ruled system of things. No more war, hatred, fear, pain. sickness, diseases, starvation, infirmities, no greed, cheating on mates, drug addiction, drunkeness, No mourning, outcries, even death will be no more( Rev 21:4) etc,etc= a cure all for what ails mortal existence. During Jesus 1000 year reign, satan is abyssed, the earth will be transformed into an Eden(paradise) a resurrection of dead loved ones who get an opportunity to learn and apply Gods will and get their names written in Gods book of life. Mortals made back to perfection, not aging like now. All created living things living in perfect harmony(Isaiah 11) But then satan gets loosed for a little while and all rebels(Gog from Magog( Rev 20:8) get rooted out, and death, Hades( grave) satan and his angels and Gog from Magog get destroyed in the lake of fire. Then Gods kingdom in full control forever, never again anything like this satan ruled system will occur. pure happiness, all motives of mortal hearts from love not profit seeking.
Gaining entrance into that kingdom has more value than all the wealth combined on earth. One must live to do Jesus' Fathers will now over their own will( Matt 7:21)
Like this-Matt 6:33--Therefore, keep on seeking- FIRST- the kingdom and his ( YHWH(Jehovah) righteousness and all these things will be added( sustenance, covering, spirituality)--Then one can accomplish this-John 4:22-24

Will you live for entrance into Gods kingdom?

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2ndpillar2 wrote: Wed Dec 21, 2022 5:32 pm
kjw47 wrote: Wed Dec 21, 2022 4:55 pm
Much of revelation is symbolism. Peter was a member of the little flock. Yes peter fell( every mortal that ever lived sins) God forgives repented sins) but stood back up and went all the way to being murdered standing up for Jesus. Matt 16:18--Jesus built his congregation up on Peter.
1914the kingdom was established in heaven. Rev 6:1 he receives his crown.
Revelation 6:1 does not say the "kingdom" is set up in heaven, nor does it say Peter was in heaven. What Yeshua did say was that if anyone denies me, I will deny them before my Father who is in heaven. According to rumor, Peter, called Cord/Union in Zech 11:14, died upside down, hung on a cross, by his own waist cord (Zech 11:14-17). He probably was hung into the night, which would put him among the accursed. Whatever, he was annihilated according to the prophets (Zechariah 11:8) along with Judas (Zech 11:12-13), and Paul (Zech 11:10) after being used to "pasture" the "flock doomed for slaughter (Gentile church)" (Zech 11:7). As for what foundation the Gentile church is built on, that would be a message other than that given directly by Yeshua, which would be the foundation of sand, that being a foundation built on Peter and Paul. (Mt 7:24-27)

Rev 6:1--He receives his crown--Jesus gets the crown, Jesus is in heaven. The establishment of Gods kingdom in heaven in 1914 as foretold in the prophecy of Daniel. Rev 6:4- And peace will be taken from the earth=ww1) The only man on earth who that prophecy was revealed through=C.T.Russell--He stated in 1879--peace will be taken from the earth in 1914 from that prophecy. The prophecy pointed to Gods kingdom king ruling in heaven. Peter repented and turned around. Jesus meant those denying him all the way. The Israelites religion have denied him all the way. Plus many others.

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2ndpillar2 wrote: Wed Dec 21, 2022 12:43 pm
kjw47 wrote: Tue Dec 20, 2022 9:09 pm
The majority of the little flock lived in Jesus day and after. Few are on earth now.
Peter was a member of the little flock-he was married -that shows symbolism of Rev 14:4-- actually celibate of the false religions on earth it means.
There are 4 different Yeshuas being taught on earth. The bible speaks of the real one. So all believing in the other 3 have lost. Its not to difficult for one to see who the real one is. Because every true follower learns all he taught, applies all he taught. And the most important they believe what he says over the errors translated in that contradict him. Few on earth actually knows what he taught.
What Yeshua taught was that following the "false prophets" (Mt 7:13-23) that "practice lawlessness" leads to "destruction" and or "the furnace of fire", which is Har-Magedon (Mt 13:41-42). The "practice" of "lawlessness" is better known as following the false gospel of grace, whereas the law is nailed to a cross, whereas you can ignore the law and live forever, as first stated by the "serpent" in the garden (Genesis 3:4).
The lake of fire isnt Armageddon. Armageddon is spoke of at Rev 16, Rev 19 are the results-Then Jesus1000 year reign, satan abyssed, then loosed a little while to test the resurrected ones-Many follow him. all get destroyed in the lake of fire= the second death. Then Gods kingdom rules forever in everlasting peace.

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kjw47 wrote: Wed Dec 21, 2022 9:57 pm
2ndpillar2 wrote: Wed Dec 21, 2022 12:43 pm
kjw47 wrote: Tue Dec 20, 2022 9:09 pm
The majority of the little flock lived in Jesus day and after. Few are on earth now.
Peter was a member of the little flock-he was married -that shows symbolism of Rev 14:4-- actually celibate of the false religions on earth it means.
There are 4 different Yeshuas being taught on earth. The bible speaks of the real one. So all believing in the other 3 have lost. Its not to difficult for one to see who the real one is. Because every true follower learns all he taught, applies all he taught. And the most important they believe what he says over the errors translated in that contradict him. Few on earth actually knows what he taught.
What Yeshua taught was that following the "false prophets" (Mt 7:13-23) that "practice lawlessness" leads to "destruction" and or "the furnace of fire", which is Har-Magedon (Mt 13:41-42). The "practice" of "lawlessness" is better known as following the false gospel of grace, whereas the law is nailed to a cross, whereas you can ignore the law and live forever, as first stated by the "serpent" in the garden (Genesis 3:4).
The lake of fire isnt Armageddon. Armageddon is spoke of at Rev 16, Rev 19 are the results-Then Jesus1000 year reign, satan abyssed, then loosed a little while to test the resurrected ones-Many follow him. all get destroyed in the lake of fire= the second death. Then Gods kingdom rules forever in everlasting peace.
The "furnace of fire" (Mt 13:30) is at the "end of the age", when the "day of the LORD", God's judgment, Har-Magedon, begins, when the tares/wicked, who have been protected, will be "gathered" "first" and thrown into the "furnace of fire". The millennium starts at the raising of the righteous, those who do not have the "mark of the beast", to rule 1000 years with Yeshua (Rev 20:4). Those who are thrown into the "lake of fire", are done so at the end of the millennium. The "furnace of fire", in which the "tares", "those who commit lawlessness" (Mt 13:40) are thrown in will weep and gnash their teeth (Mt 13:42). Those thrown into the "lake of fire", 1000 years later, will face an immediate second death, and there will be no weeping. The "furnace of fire" is not the "lake of fire". "God's kingdom", whereas David rules Judah and Ephraim in the land given to Jacob (Ez 36), lasts for 1000 years, and then the "white thrown judgment" occurs (Rev 20:12), whereas all will be of one mind and there will be no nations/Gentiles to rule over with a "rod of iron" (Rev 19:15). The resurrected at the beginning of the millennium will reign with "Christ" for 1000 years (Rev 20:4). They have already been tested before their deaths. Your story line seems a little confused. I am not sure if it is rooted in the JW bible, but you might want to try looking at another source bible.

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2ndpillar2 wrote: Wed Dec 21, 2022 11:51 pm
kjw47 wrote: Wed Dec 21, 2022 9:57 pm
2ndpillar2 wrote: Wed Dec 21, 2022 12:43 pm
kjw47 wrote: Tue Dec 20, 2022 9:09 pm
The majority of the little flock lived in Jesus day and after. Few are on earth now.
Peter was a member of the little flock-he was married -that shows symbolism of Rev 14:4-- actually celibate of the false religions on earth it means.
There are 4 different Yeshuas being taught on earth. The bible speaks of the real one. So all believing in the other 3 have lost. Its not to difficult for one to see who the real one is. Because every true follower learns all he taught, applies all he taught. And the most important they believe what he says over the errors translated in that contradict him. Few on earth actually knows what he taught.
What Yeshua taught was that following the "false prophets" (Mt 7:13-23) that "practice lawlessness" leads to "destruction" and or "the furnace of fire", which is Har-Magedon (Mt 13:41-42). The "practice" of "lawlessness" is better known as following the false gospel of grace, whereas the law is nailed to a cross, whereas you can ignore the law and live forever, as first stated by the "serpent" in the garden (Genesis 3:4).
The lake of fire isnt Armageddon. Armageddon is spoke of at Rev 16, Rev 19 are the results-Then Jesus1000 year reign, satan abyssed, then loosed a little while to test the resurrected ones-Many follow him. all get destroyed in the lake of fire= the second death. Then Gods kingdom rules forever in everlasting peace.
The "furnace of fire" (Mt 13:30) is at the "end of the age", when the "day of the LORD", God's judgment, Har-Magedon, begins, when the tares/wicked, who have been protected, will be "gathered" "first" and thrown into the "furnace of fire". The millennium starts at the raising of the righteous, those who do not have the "mark of the beast", to rule 1000 years with Yeshua (Rev 20:4). Those who are thrown into the "lake of fire", are done so at the end of the millennium. The "furnace of fire", in which the "tares", "those who commit lawlessness" (Mt 13:40) are thrown in will weep and gnash their teeth (Mt 13:42). Those thrown into the "lake of fire", 1000 years later, will face an immediate second death, and there will be no weeping. The "furnace of fire" is not the "lake of fire". "God's kingdom", whereas David rules Judah and Ephraim in the land given to Jacob (Ez 36), lasts for 1000 years, and then the "white thrown judgment" occurs (Rev 20:12), whereas all will be of one mind and there will be no nations/Gentiles to rule over with a "rod of iron" (Rev 19:15). The resurrected at the beginning of the millennium will reign with "Christ" for 1000 years (Rev 20:4). They have already been tested before their deaths. Your story line seems a little confused. I am not sure if it is rooted in the JW bible, but you might want to try looking at another source bible.

You best read revelation Rev 16 mentions Armageddon occurring. Rev 19 is the results-- Satan gets captured and Abyssed at Armageddon--He isnt let loose for 1000 years, then at the end of Rev 20 the lake of fire event occurs.

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kjw47 wrote: Thu Dec 22, 2022 7:15 pm You best read revelation Rev 16 mentions Armageddon occurring. Rev 19 is the results-- Satan gets captured and Abyssed at Armageddon--He isnt let loose for 1000 years, then at the end of Rev 20 the lake of fire event occurs.
In the lake of fire event, whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

Aren't the names of all believers written in the Book of Life?

If so, then all whose names are not in the Book of Life are nonbelievers.

So the wages for our sins is being cast into the lake of fire.

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myth-one.com wrote: Thu Dec 22, 2022 9:10 pm
kjw47 wrote: Thu Dec 22, 2022 7:15 pm You best read revelation Rev 16 mentions Armageddon occurring. Rev 19 is the results-- Satan gets captured and Abyssed at Armageddon--He isnt let loose for 1000 years, then at the end of Rev 20 the lake of fire event occurs.
In the lake of fire event, whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

Aren't the names of all believers written in the Book of Life?

If so, then all whose names are not in the Book of Life are nonbelievers.

So the wages for our sins is being cast into the lake of fire.
At death the wages of sin are paid in full. Thus the resurrection to life or death is according to what the resurrected do once satan is loosed. They cant be judged 2 x for the same offenses, Notice Rev 20:12--the scroll of life is opened and those who remain faithful after being tested by satan being loosed get their names written in the book of life. But rev 20:8 shows many as the sands of the sea still follow satan and get destroyed by fire= the second death= permanent. Then satan is destroyed along with death and Hades(grave) -then Gods kingdom in full control forever=abundant peace. That is the new heaven and new earth. All rebels will be rooted out during satans last stand.
That is very loving of Jehovah to give those a 2nd opportunity to learn and apply his will.

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kjw47 wrote: Thu Dec 22, 2022 9:22 pm
myth-one.com wrote: Thu Dec 22, 2022 9:10 pm
kjw47 wrote: Thu Dec 22, 2022 7:15 pm You best read revelation Rev 16 mentions Armageddon occurring. Rev 19 is the results-- Satan gets captured and Abyssed at Armageddon--He isnt let loose for 1000 years, then at the end of Rev 20 the lake of fire event occurs.
In the lake of fire event, whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

Aren't the names of all believers written in the Book of Life?

If so, then all whose names are not in the Book of Life are nonbelievers.

So the wages for our sins is being cast into {/quote]

the lake of fire.
At death the wages of sin are paid in full.
So you're saying that sinners and the righteous are treated the same. We can all do whatever we want during our first life with no consequences, as our first death pays the wages for our sins.

What's the point of that?

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kjw47 wrote: Thu Dec 22, 2022 7:15 pm
2ndpillar2 wrote: Wed Dec 21, 2022 11:51 pm
kjw47 wrote: Wed Dec 21, 2022 9:57 pm
2ndpillar2 wrote: Wed Dec 21, 2022 12:43 pm
kjw47 wrote: Tue Dec 20, 2022 9:09 pm
The majority of the little flock lived in Jesus day and after. Few are on earth now.
Peter was a member of the little flock-he was married -that shows symbolism of Rev 14:4-- actually celibate of the false religions on earth it means.
There are 4 different Yeshuas being taught on earth. The bible speaks of the real one. So all believing in the other 3 have lost. Its not to difficult for one to see who the real one is. Because every true follower learns all he taught, applies all he taught. And the most important they believe what he says over the errors translated in that contradict him. Few on earth actually knows what he taught.
What Yeshua taught was that following the "false prophets" (Mt 7:13-23) that "practice lawlessness" leads to "destruction" and or "the furnace of fire", which is Har-Magedon (Mt 13:41-42). The "practice" of "lawlessness" is better known as following the false gospel of grace, whereas the law is nailed to a cross, whereas you can ignore the law and live forever, as first stated by the "serpent" in the garden (Genesis 3:4).
The lake of fire isnt Armageddon. Armageddon is spoke of at Rev 16, Rev 19 are the results-Then Jesus1000 year reign, satan abyssed, then loosed a little while to test the resurrected ones-Many follow him. all get destroyed in the lake of fire= the second death. Then Gods kingdom rules forever in everlasting peace.
The "furnace of fire" (Mt 13:30) is at the "end of the age", when the "day of the LORD", God's judgment, Har-Magedon, begins, when the tares/wicked, who have been protected, will be "gathered" "first" and thrown into the "furnace of fire". The millennium starts at the raising of the righteous, those who do not have the "mark of the beast", to rule 1000 years with Yeshua (Rev 20:4). Those who are thrown into the "lake of fire", are done so at the end of the millennium. The "furnace of fire", in which the "tares", "those who commit lawlessness" (Mt 13:40) are thrown in will weep and gnash their teeth (Mt 13:42). Those thrown into the "lake of fire", 1000 years later, will face an immediate second death, and there will be no weeping. The "furnace of fire" is not the "lake of fire". "God's kingdom", whereas David rules Judah and Ephraim in the land given to Jacob (Ez 36), lasts for 1000 years, and then the "white thrown judgment" occurs (Rev 20:12), whereas all will be of one mind and there will be no nations/Gentiles to rule over with a "rod of iron" (Rev 19:15). The resurrected at the beginning of the millennium will reign with "Christ" for 1000 years (Rev 20:4). They have already been tested before their deaths. Your story line seems a little confused. I am not sure if it is rooted in the JW bible, but you might want to try looking at another source bible.

You best read revelation Rev 16 mentions Armageddon occurring. Rev 19 is the results-- Satan gets captured and Abyssed at Armageddon--He isnt let loose for 1000 years, then at the end of Rev 20 the lake of fire event occurs.
Revelation 16:13 is when the demon spirit of the "false prophet" (Paul), along with the demon spirit of the devil, entices the nations/Gentiles to come against Jerusalem (Zech 14:1-2) at the "end of the age", which we are now in, whereas "He is near, right at the door" (Mt 24:33). This is the "end of the age" when the reapers/angels will gather out the "tares"/ "those who commit lawlessness" (Mt 13:39-42), those that follow the false gospel of grace, and "cast them into the furnace of fire", which is done 1000 years before the dead are raised, judged according to their deeds, and those not in the book of life, are thrown into the "lake of fire". Har-Magedon is simply the place where the nations/Gentiles are gathered (Rev 16:16). It is known as the valley of Megiddo, where the last battle waged there was when the British defeated the Ottomans (clay) mixed with the German Kaiser/Caesar (Rome/iron) (Daniel 2:45) in the years 1918 and tossed them out of the land of Judea to initially usher in the Zionist per the British Balfour Declaration. Har-Magedon is the time period when the cities of the nations/Gentiles fall (Rev 16:19), and "every island fled away"...."and huge hailstones, about one hundred pounds each, came down from heaven upon men" (Rev 16:19), and Babylon had to drink from the cup of God's wrath, or to say, those with the mark of the beast, the Gentile churches, daughters of Babylon, will have drink from the cup of God's anger (Rev 14:10), better known as a "furnace of fire", where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

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2ndpillar2 wrote: Fri Dec 23, 2022 8:12 am
Revelation 16:13 is when the demon spirit of the "false prophet" (Paul), . . . .



Why do you identify Paul as the "false prophet"?

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myth-one.com wrote: Fri Dec 23, 2022 10:34 am
2ndpillar2 wrote: Fri Dec 23, 2022 8:12 am
Revelation 16:13 is when the demon spirit of the "false prophet" (Paul), . . . .



Why do you identify Paul as the "false prophet"?


Many reasons. First of all, he taught the practice of lawlessness (Mt 7:22-23 Mt 13:41), such as the Law was nailed to a cross. Second of all he was a self-witnesser, which makes his witness untrue (John 5:31). Third of all he declared "he is in the wilderness", for which Yeshua said, "do not believe them" (Mt 24:26). Fourth of all, his name was changed from Saul to Paul, which means "little", and as the foremost sinner, his "little" would become "least", and that is what those in the kingdom called him, for he tried to annul even one of the least of the Law and the prophets (Mt 5:19). The fact that he lived and died in the generation of Judas Iscariot and tried to annul the covenant of circumcision (Zech 11:10), aligns him with the three shepherds who were to be annihilated in the same "month"/generation. The 3rd shepherd/staff being Peter, the "worthless shepherd" of Zech 11:16-17). The fact that Constantine, the 7th head of the beast of Rev 17, the "another" king of Daniel 7:24-25 & Rev 17:10 & Rev 13:11, who was deemed the "beast with two horns like a lamb" (Rev 13), the two horns/leaders being Peter and Paul, whereas Constantine built a basilica for each, and his Roman church was built on them both, and the combination was to "deceive" "those who dwell on the earth" (Rev 13). That the daughters of Babylon include the Roman church and her daughters. That should be a start.

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