Under What Circumstnces Should Christians Kill ?

[I AM ALL I AM]

Luke 19:27
"But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me."

Exodus 22:20
"You must kill those who worship another god. "

Deuteronomy 13:6-10
"Kill any friends or family that worship a god that is different than your own."

Deuteronomy 13:12-16
"Kill all the inhabitants of any city where you find people that worship differently than you."

Deuteronomy 17:2-7
"Kill everyone who has religious views that are different than your own."

The 'Ten Commandments' state that 'Thou shall not kill'. Yet other passages in the bible, both OT and NT, clearly encourage killing, even with JC (a.k.a. the 'Prince of Peace') making the statement in Luke 19:27 for followers to kill non-followers in front of him.

Which is it ?

Are you not supposed to kill ?

Or are you supposed to not kill, except when commanded by 'God' ?

Or, are you supposed to not kill those that have the same religious views and only kill those that have differing religious views ?

And are some of the passages within the bible that talk of killing those with different religious views the reason that many christians join the military ?

[TXatheist]

Luke 19:27
"But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me."

Exodus 22:20
"You must kill those who worship another god. "

Deuteronomy 13:6-10
"Kill any friends or family that worship a god that is different than your own."

Deuteronomy 13:12-16
"Kill all the inhabitants of any city where you find people that worship differently than you."

Deuteronomy 17:2-7
"Kill everyone who has religious views that are different than your own."

The 'Ten Commandments' state that 'Thou shall not kill'. Yet other passages in the bible, both OT and NT, clearly encourage killing, even with JC (a.k.a. the 'Prince of Peace') making the statement in Luke 19:27 for followers to kill non-followers in front of him.

Which is it ?

Are you not supposed to kill ?

Or are you supposed to not kill, except when commanded by 'God' ?

Or, are you supposed to not kill those that have the same religious views and only kill those that have differing religious views ?

And are some of the passages within the bible that talk of killing those with different religious views the reason that many christians join the military ?

Wow, that's a lot of killing. Kill your enemies, your friends, your family... Are none of these reliant on the surrounding text?

[I AM ALL I AM]

G'day Seijun.

Here's Luke 19, which doesn't make any other stipulation prior nor after the quote that I posted ...

Luke 19

1And Jesus entered and passed through Jericho.

2And, behold, there was a man named Zacchaeus, which was the chief among the publicans, and he was rich.

3And he sought to see Jesus who he was; and could not for the press, because he was little of stature.

4And he ran before, and climbed up into a sycomore tree to see him: for he was to pass that way.

5And when Jesus came to the place, he looked up, and saw him, and said unto him, Zacchaeus, make haste, and come down; for to day I must abide at thy house.

6And he made haste, and came down, and received him joyfully.

7And when they saw it, they all murmured, saying, That he was gone to be guest with a man that is a sinner.

8And Zacchaeus stood, and said unto the Lord: Behold, Lord, the half of my goods I give to the poor; and if I have taken any thing from any man by false accusation, I restore him fourfold.

9And Jesus said unto him, This day is salvation come to this house, forsomuch as he also is a son of Abraham.

10For the Son of man is come to seek and to save that which was lost.

11And as they heard these things, he added and spake a parable, because he was nigh to Jerusalem, and because they thought that the kingdom of God should immediately appear.

12He said therefore, A certain nobleman went into a far country to receive for himself a kingdom, and to return.

13And he called his ten servants, and delivered them ten pounds, and said unto them, Occupy till I come.

14But his citizens hated him, and sent a message after him, saying, We will not have this man to reign over us.

15And it came to pass, that when he was returned, having received the kingdom, then he commanded these servants to be called unto him, to whom he had given the money, that he might know how much every man had gained by trading.

16Then came the first, saying, Lord, thy pound hath gained ten pounds.

17And he said unto him, Well, thou good servant: because thou hast been faithful in a very little, have thou authority over ten cities.

18And the second came, saying, Lord, thy pound hath gained five pounds.

19And he said likewise to him, Be thou also over five cities.

20And another came, saying, Lord, behold, here is thy pound, which I have kept laid up in a napkin:

21For I feared thee, because thou art an austere man: thou takest up that thou layedst not down, and reapest that thou didst not sow.

22And he saith unto him, Out of thine own mouth will I judge thee, thou wicked servant. Thou knewest that I was an austere man, taking up that I laid not down, and reaping that I did not sow:

23Wherefore then gavest not thou my money into the bank, that at my coming I might have required mine own with usury?

24And he said unto them that stood by, Take from him the pound, and give it to him that hath ten pounds.

25(And they said unto him, Lord, he hath ten pounds.)

26For I say unto you, That unto every one which hath shall be given; and from him that hath not, even that he hath shall be taken away from him.

27But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me.

28And when he had thus spoken, he went before, ascending up to Jerusalem.

29And it came to pass, when he was come nigh to Bethphage and Bethany, at the mount called the mount of Olives, he sent two of his disciples,

30Saying, Go ye into the village over against you; in the which at your entering ye shall find a colt tied, whereon yet never man sat: loose him, and bring him hither.

31And if any man ask you, Why do ye loose him? thus shall ye say unto him, Because the Lord hath need of him.

32And they that were sent went their way, and found even as he had said unto them.

33And as they were loosing the colt, the owners thereof said unto them, Why loose ye the colt?

34And they said, The Lord hath need of him.

35And they brought him to Jesus: and they cast their garments upon the colt, and they set Jesus thereon.

36And as he went, they spread their clothes in the way.

37And when he was come nigh, even now at the descent of the mount of Olives, the whole multitude of the disciples began to rejoice and praise God with a loud voice for all the mighty works that they had seen;

38Saying, Blessed be the King that cometh in the name of the Lord: peace in heaven, and glory in the highest.

39And some of the Pharisees from among the multitude said unto him, Master, rebuke thy disciples.

40And he answered and said unto them, I tell you that, if these should hold their peace, the stones would immediately cry out.

41And when he was come near, he beheld the city, and wept over it,

42Saying, If thou hadst known, even thou, at least in this thy day, the things which belong unto thy peace! but now they are hid from thine eyes.

43For the days shall come upon thee, that thine enemies shall cast a trench about thee, and compass thee round, and keep thee in on every side,

44And shall lay thee even with the ground, and thy children within thee; and they shall not leave in thee one stone upon another; because thou knewest not the time of thy visitation.

45And he went into the temple, and began to cast out them that sold therein, and them that bought;

46Saying unto them, It is written, My house is the house of prayer: but ye have made it a den of thieves.

47And he taught daily in the temple. But the chief priests and the scribes and the chief of the people sought to destroy him,

48And could not find what they might do: for all the people were very attentive to hear him.

[TXatheist]

G'day Seijun.

Here's Luke 19, which doesn't make any other stipulation prior nor after the quote that I posted ...

Luke 19

1And Jesus entered and passed through Jericho.

2And, behold, there was a man named Zacchaeus, which was the chief among the publicans, and he was rich.

3And he sought to see Jesus who he was; and could not for the press, because he was little of stature.

4And he ran before, and climbed up into a sycomore tree to see him: for he was to pass that way.

5And when Jesus came to the place, he looked up, and saw him, and said unto him, Zacchaeus, make haste, and come down; for to day I must abide at thy house.

6And he made haste, and came down, and received him joyfully.

7And when they saw it, they all murmured, saying, That he was gone to be guest with a man that is a sinner.

8And Zacchaeus stood, and said unto the Lord: Behold, Lord, the half of my goods I give to the poor; and if I have taken any thing from any man by false accusation, I restore him fourfold.

9And Jesus said unto him, This day is salvation come to this house, forsomuch as he also is a son of Abraham.

10For the Son of man is come to seek and to save that which was lost.

11And as they heard these things, he added and spake a parable, because he was nigh to Jerusalem, and because they thought that the kingdom of God should immediately appear.

12He said therefore, A certain nobleman went into a far country to receive for himself a kingdom, and to return.

13And he called his ten servants, and delivered them ten pounds, and said unto them, Occupy till I come.

14But his citizens hated him, and sent a message after him, saying, We will not have this man to reign over us.

15And it came to pass, that when he was returned, having received the kingdom, then he commanded these servants to be called unto him, to whom he had given the money, that he might know how much every man had gained by trading.

16Then came the first, saying, Lord, thy pound hath gained ten pounds.

17And he said unto him, Well, thou good servant: because thou hast been faithful in a very little, have thou authority over ten cities.

18And the second came, saying, Lord, thy pound hath gained five pounds.

19And he said likewise to him, Be thou also over five cities.

20And another came, saying, Lord, behold, here is thy pound, which I have kept laid up in a napkin:

21For I feared thee, because thou art an austere man: thou takest up that thou layedst not down, and reapest that thou didst not sow.

22And he saith unto him, Out of thine own mouth will I judge thee, thou wicked servant. Thou knewest that I was an austere man, taking up that I laid not down, and reaping that I did not sow:

23Wherefore then gavest not thou my money into the bank, that at my coming I might have required mine own with usury?

24And he said unto them that stood by, Take from him the pound, and give it to him that hath ten pounds.

25(And they said unto him, Lord, he hath ten pounds.)

26For I say unto you, That unto every one which hath shall be given; and from him that hath not, even that he hath shall be taken away from him.

27But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me.

28And when he had thus spoken, he went before, ascending up to Jerusalem.

29And it came to pass, when he was come nigh to Bethphage and Bethany, at the mount called the mount of Olives, he sent two of his disciples,

30Saying, Go ye into the village over against you; in the which at your entering ye shall find a colt tied, whereon yet never man sat: loose him, and bring him hither.

31And if any man ask you, Why do ye loose him? thus shall ye say unto him, Because the Lord hath need of him.

32And they that were sent went their way, and found even as he had said unto them.

33And as they were loosing the colt, the owners thereof said unto them, Why loose ye the colt?

34And they said, The Lord hath need of him.

35And they brought him to Jesus: and they cast their garments upon the colt, and they set Jesus thereon.

36And as he went, they spread their clothes in the way.

37And when he was come nigh, even now at the descent of the mount of Olives, the whole multitude of the disciples began to rejoice and praise God with a loud voice for all the mighty works that they had seen;

38Saying, Blessed be the King that cometh in the name of the Lord: peace in heaven, and glory in the highest.

39And some of the Pharisees from among the multitude said unto him, Master, rebuke thy disciples.

40And he answered and said unto them, I tell you that, if these should hold their peace, the stones would immediately cry out.

41And when he was come near, he beheld the city, and wept over it,

42Saying, If thou hadst known, even thou, at least in this thy day, the things which belong unto thy peace! but now they are hid from thine eyes.

43For the days shall come upon thee, that thine enemies shall cast a trench about thee, and compass thee round, and keep thee in on every side,

44And shall lay thee even with the ground, and thy children within thee; and they shall not leave in thee one stone upon another; because thou knewest not the time of thy visitation.

45And he went into the temple, and began to cast out them that sold therein, and them that bought;

46Saying unto them, It is written, My house is the house of prayer: but ye have made it a den of thieves.

47And he taught daily in the temple. But the chief priests and the scribes and the chief of the people sought to destroy him,

48And could not find what they might do: for all the people were very attentive to hear him.

It would appear that killing is perfectly acceptable under certain circumstances dictated by the Christian god. According to this passage one is allowed to kill others who refuse to worship god. Very interesting.

[I AM ALL I AM]

It would appear that killing is perfectly acceptable under certain circumstances dictated by the Christian god. According to this passage one is allowed to kill others who refuse to worship god. Very interesting.

G'day Seijun.

Very interesting indeed.

It is also very convenient for the religious leaders that desire to have their form of religion as the only religion, thus making them the absolute authority figures for morals transferred into laws for their followers to adhere to. Even though there are obvious contradictions with the laws (a.k.a. the Ten commandments) that they claim came from their version of 'God' that are written in their religious texts.

It also gives the religious leaders the opportunity to form an army from their followers to kill those that oppose their tyrannical rule. All they have to do is point out those passages and declare that it is the will of their version of 'God'. Thus the religious leaders can perpetuate their rule by silencing any 'dissidents' and claim it is 'Gods' will.

[TXatheist]

It would appear that killing is perfectly acceptable under certain circumstances dictated by the Christian god. According to this passage one is allowed to kill others who refuse to worship god. Very interesting.

G'day Seijun.

Very interesting indeed.

It is also very convenient for the religious leaders that desire to have their form of religion as the only religion, thus making them the absolute authority figures for morals transferred into laws for their followers to adhere to. Even though there are obvious contradictions with the laws (a.k.a. the Ten commandments) that they claim came from their version of 'God' that are written in their religious texts.

It also gives the religious leaders the opportunity to form an army from their followers to kill those that oppose their tyrannical rule. All they have to do is point out those passages and declare that it is the will of their version of 'God'. Thus the religious leaders can perpetuate their rule by silencing any 'dissidents' and claim it is 'Gods' will.

Hello, I AM ALL I AM. I like your "g'day" greeting.

One could actually say that the Christian bible is the most dangerous book in the world as it dictates that killing over a belief is not only rational and reasonable, but even called for by a god whose followers are often devoted to the point of extremism.

[Persephone]

Love thy neighbor*

*Except if he is not christian. In that case, kill that SOB!

Lol...religion should be a soap opera.....

[I AM ALL I AM]

http://www.nexusmagazine.com/index.php? ... &Itemid=71

PART I
http://www.nexusmagazine.com/index.php? ... &Itemid=71

PART II
http://www.nexusmagazine.com/index.php? ... &Itemid=71

PART III
http://www.nexusmagazine.com/index.php? ... &Itemid=71

G'day Persephone.

If you read the above links you can see that it is a soap opera.

[InHocSignoVinces]

I find that in scripture a man may be put to death for anything. After all, the Lord is Jealous. The line between pious devotion and heresy is very thin. Indeed, many people who are now Christian fundamentalists would have been put to death by the original Christians.

[Sotomone]

Exodus 21:12 "Anyone who strikes a man and kills him shall surely be put to death.

13 However, if he does not do it intentionally, but God lets it happen, he is to flee to a place I will designate.

14 But if a man schemes and kills another man deliberately, take him away from my altar and put him to death.

15 "Anyone who attacks [c] his father or his mother must be put to death.

16 "Anyone who kidnaps another and either sells him or still has him when he is caught must be put to death.

17 "Anyone who curses his father or mother must be put to death.

You forgot these which are stated right after the ten commandments are given. All of these are contradictions. I mean it can be extremely confusing of what exactly this god wants.

Personal opinion here but I think someone put what they wanted for these parts. Or decided they should be that way to excempt certain people from being struck by things like this.

According to all this. You MUST kill those that oppose or you ignore these rulings you will be punished? So what it's saying is that yes kill but be prepared to face punishement your self. Even though it says to do so. Maybe I'm reading too much into it or just giving too much guess word towards this contradiction. =/ So I'm left curious as well.