infinite attributes

[FinalEnigma]

If he is infinitely just, then whatever he does is just.

Is this an accurate assessment, or is it backwards?

is he infinitely just because everything he does is just? or is everything he does just because he is infinitely just and does them?

[cnorman18]

If he is infinitely just, then whatever he does is just.

Is this an accurate assessment, or is it backwards?

is he infinitely just because everything he does is just? or is everything he does just because he is infinitely just and does them?

A modern Jewish perspective:

First, we don't claim to know that God is either totally good or totally just. We hope so.

Second, we believe that God Himself is responsible to a moral order. Whether or not He created it is moot; He is as subject to morality as any of us, and He is responsible to US for his actions. "Covenant" means "contract," and both sides have responsibilities. Notice Abraham arguing with God over the fate of Sodom; if God's will were by definition perfect justice, Abraham would have had nothing to say.

What "infinitely just" means isn't clear to me anyway. How can justice be "infinite"? Perfect, maybe; that's possible. But we can't count on that, even from God, in this life anyway. For the next, I have nothing to say. I don't know.

[FinalEnigma]

If he is infinitely just, then whatever he does is just.

Is this an accurate assessment, or is it backwards?

is he infinitely just because everything he does is just? or is everything he does just because he is infinitely just and does them?

A modern Jewish perspective:

First, we don't claim to know that God is either totally good or totally just. We hope so.

Second, we believe that God Himself is responsible to a moral order. Whether or not He created it is moot; He is as subject to morality as any of us, and He is responsible to US for his actions. "Covenant" means "contract," and both sides have responsibilities. Notice Abraham arguing with God over the fate of Sodom; if God's will were by definition perfect justice, Abraham would have had nothing to say.

What "infinitely just" means isn't clear to me anyway. How can justice be "infinite"? Perfect, maybe; that's possible. But we can't count on that, even from God, in this life anyway. For the next, I have nothing to say. I don't know.

I'm slacking I know. I should start directing my questions at not-cnorman, because I largely know what you're going to say and can't debate it, because it makes sense, and I agree with most of it.

Though I suppose it is helpful for you to answer for others than myself, who do not already recognize the position.

I'm really gonna have to head back to talk to that Rabbi soon at this rate...

[cnorman18]

I'm slacking I know. I should start directing my questions at not-cnorman, because I largely know what you're going to say and can't debate it, because it makes sense, and I agree with most of it.

Though I suppose it is helpful for you to answer for others than myself, who do not already recognize the position.

I'm really gonna have to head back to talk to that Rabbi soon at this rate...

$5 says he won't give you the same answers....

[FinalEnigma]

I'm slacking I know. I should start directing my questions at not-cnorman, because I largely know what you're going to say and can't debate it, because it makes sense, and I agree with most of it.

Though I suppose it is helpful for you to answer for others than myself, who do not already recognize the position.

I'm really gonna have to head back to talk to that Rabbi soon at this rate...

$5 says he won't give you the same answers....

I'm not taking that bet.

Find someone else to make $5 off of.

[Miles]

If he is infinitely just, then whatever he does is just.

Is this an accurate assessment, or is it backwards?

Remarks like this, exclaiming the various virtues of god, seem almost endless. If there's a virtue worth touting, someone out there will contend god has it in spades; most often "all_______ ." "omni_____ ." or infinitely so. Of course there's never any perceived need to back up the assertion, but that's the way such thinking operates.