Logic v God

[McCulloch]

and he can NOT do anything that is logically(something he created,logic) impossible. okay so that means there is some limit within logic?

It doesn't matter how illogical it is, but the idea of him being capable to do it.
He created everything, therefore he created logic. (when the earth was made, some rules-like gravity,limitations for humans,etc...- were formed with them)
He can surpass his own creation just like how he,in as Jesus, can preform all those miracles, rise from the dead, and walk on water. Also,just like time, God isn't in our matter/space/time so rules such as logic shouldn't effect him.

Is God beyond the rules of logic because God created logic?

[LiamOS]

Should God not be a function of the universe, we cannot assume that logic is applicable to it.
At the same time, I have trouble believing that something which is not a function of this universe having any impact on this universe.

As such, I would conclude that if a God exists and is the slightest bit relevant, then he is bound to be logically consistent.

[Angel]

and he can NOT do anything that is logically(something he created,logic) impossible. okay so that means there is some limit within logic?

It doesn't matter how illogical it is, but the idea of him being capable to do it.
He created everything, therefore he created logic. (when the earth was made, some rules-like gravity,limitations for humans,etc...- were formed with them)
He can surpass his own creation just like how he,in as Jesus, can preform all those miracles, rise from the dead, and walk on water. Also,just like time, God isn't in our matter/space/time so rules such as logic shouldn't effect him.

I disagree with Ravenstorm although I can understand why he or she thinks the views you quoted from him or her.

The word "everything" can really be relative, and I believe when the Bible mentions God creating everything it only refers to everything on Earth and "at the beginning or Creation period." So not only is it relative location-wise but also time-wise. God also did not create Himself nor do I believe that He created logic.
I don't see how God or any being could exist without logic unless they had no ability to reason nor do anything meaningful or probably anything at all for that matter.

Is God beyond the rules of logic because God created logic?

I can only reiterate some of my last point but I don't believe God created logic, and one theistic view is that the laws of logic are inherent in Him as a quality.

[Angel]

and he can NOT do anything that is logically(something he created,logic) impossible. okay so that means there is some limit within logic?

It doesn't matter how illogical it is, but the idea of him being capable to do it.
He created everything, therefore he created logic. (when the earth was made, some rules-like gravity,limitations for humans,etc...- were formed with them)
He can surpass his own creation just like how he,in as Jesus, can preform all those miracles, rise from the dead, and walk on water. Also,just like time, God isn't in our matter/space/time so rules such as logic shouldn't effect him.

Is God beyond the rules of logic because God created logic?

I don't believe that God created absolutely everything but perhaps that everything is relative to refer to everything in a location or during a particular time. God did not create Himself or my Toyota car, but I'm sure the Bible mentions Him creating everything apart from Himself during the Creation period.

I don't believe that God is beyond logic nor do I believe that the laws of logic were caused at any time. The only way God could exist without logic is in an existence of complete meaningless and I don't even know how God could relate to such a scenario. The only theistic explanation I've read about in regards to God and logic is that the laws of logic are an inherent quality in God, just as omniscience is to Him or just as my personality is to me as a person. I've also read some theistic explanations take this further to say that eventhough if the laws of logic were never caused, what would be the purpose for laws of "reason", and especially if they weren't derived from humans but only discovered by them?

[Adamoriens]

The only theistic explanation I've read about in regards to God and logic is that the laws of logic are an inherent quality in God, just as omniscience is to Him or just as my personality is to me as a person.

This is interesting. So the laws of logic are unCreated and yet inherent in God? Do you believe that good is also exactly synonymous and inherent in God, and yet is not defined by him?

Is God beyond the rules of logic because God created logic?

It's hard to see how. God is obviously not me, and he has never been me, and he will never be me. God cannot logically be something he is not. In any universe.

[Angel]

The only theistic explanation I've read about in regards to God and logic is that the laws of logic are an inherent quality in God, just as omniscience is to Him or just as my personality is to me as a person.

This is interesting. So the laws of logic are unCreated and yet inherent in God?

I think so. And by laws of logic I at least mean the 3 most fundamental laws- law of non-contradiction, law of excluded middle, law of identity. God may've created the other laws or rules. I just don't see how a being can exist without an identity, at least unless God wasn't always a being which defeats the point of calling Him God.

Do you believe that good is also exactly synonymous and inherent in God, and yet is not defined by him?

Yes. Good may not necessarily be logical or be able to be proven to be good but it is still "objective" even if it is dependent on God. If God is the way things are in reality and whatever He creates apart from Himself are additional ways that He's setting how reality should be then that is by definition objective. I should also say some standards of good are inherent in God while others were created as they were needed, like don't commit sexual immorality, don't commit bestiality, etc.

[Miles]

Is God beyond the rules of logic because God created logic?

The notion of logic is OUR description of the coherent, non-contradictory operation of truth. To bring meaning to that description we establish rules by which logic works. Break one of those rules and logic is violated. So if a god, or anything else, breaks one of the rules of logic we then have every right to say he (it) is not logical: "beyond the rules of logic," if one wishes.

But can such a creature actually exist? I seriously doubt it, but am willing to hear any arguments.

[McCulloch]

But can such a creature actually exist? I seriously doubt it, but am willing to hear any arguments.

Such a being cannot exist. That is because the concept of existence is subject to logic. Existence is meaningless without the fundamental rules of logic, thus a being that is beyond those fundamental rules cannot exist.

[Miles]

But can such a creature actually exist? I seriously doubt it, but am willing to hear any arguments.

Such a being cannot exist. That is because the concept of existence is subject to logic. Existence is meaningless without the fundamental rules of logic, thus a being that is beyond those fundamental rules cannot exist.

But logic as we apprehend it may not be the only operating flavor in the universe. Of course, if by "logic" you're referring all possible logics, not just those we recognize, then you're doubtlessly right; however, is this what you mean?

[McCulloch]

But can such a creature actually exist? I seriously doubt it, but am willing to hear any arguments.

Such a being cannot exist. That is because the concept of existence is subject to logic. Existence is meaningless without the fundamental rules of logic, thus a being that is beyond those fundamental rules cannot exist.

But logic as we apprehend it may not be the only operating flavor in the universe. Of course, if by "logic" you're referring all possible logics, not just those we recognize, then you're doubtlessly right; however, is this what you mean?

How about the Law of Identity?

In logic, the law of identity states that an object is the same as itself: A ≡ A. Any reflexive relation upholds the law of identity. When discussing equality, the fact that "A is A" is a tautology.

Can anyone explain to me the existence of a being that is beyond the law of identity? There exists a God that is not God. Such a God cannot be said to exist. Thus, I conclude that whatever god anyone posits that exists, that God is subject to the Law of Identity.