Avenues to truth

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Avenues to truth

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EduChris wrote: Do you believe that science is the only avenue to truth? What about logic, philosophy, intuition, revelation, and so on? On what basis does science get priority over all of the various ways we all have of knowing?
Questions for debate:
  1. Do you believe that science is the only avenue to truth?
  2. What about logic?
  3. What about philosophy?
  4. What about intuition?
  5. What about revelation?
  6. Are there others? Dreams, astrology, tarot?
  7. Does any one basis get priority? Why?
Examine everything carefully; hold fast to that which is good.
First Epistle to the Church of the Thessalonians
The truth will make you free.
Gospel of John

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McCulloch wrote:...Do you believe that science is the only avenue to truth?
Nope, it's not the only avenue to truth.

McCulloch wrote:...What about logic?...philosophy?...intuition?...revelation?
Nope, no single one represents the only avenue to truth.

McCulloch wrote:...Are there others?
I'm sure there are. Perhaps "Acts of kindness" might qualify as an avenue to truth.

McCulloch wrote:...Dreams, astrology, tarot?
Dreams, possibly. I'm not familiar enough with astrology and tarot to comment.

McCulloch wrote:...Does any one basis get priority? Why?
Ideally what we'd like is to have as many avenues as possible converge on a given question. Beyond that, some kinds of truth seem more suited to certain avenues than others. With respect to technological truth, science might be best suited. But even science must be subject to ethical limits (do we want to use artificial selection to create a class of strong but stupid slaves?). And the best scientists rely on intuition and flashes of insight to help them choose particular approaches to difficult problems.

With respect to questions of ultimate human meaning and purpose, science is less helpful. Here, revelation, philosophy, reason, logic, history, personal experience must take priority.

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Re: Avenues to truth

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McCulloch wrote:
EduChris wrote: Do you believe that science is the only avenue to truth? What about logic, philosophy, intuition, revelation, and so on? On what basis does science get priority over all of the various ways we all have of knowing?
Questions for debate:
  1. Do you believe that science is the only avenue to truth?
  2. What about logic?
  3. What about philosophy?
  4. What about intuition?
  5. What about revelation?
  6. Are there others? Dreams, astrology, tarot?
  7. Does any one basis get priority? Why?
Before you say 'xxx is an avenue to truth', you have to define what 'truth' is. Truth is one of these words that get used philosophically in so many different ways, I am not sure if there IS 'truth'. It must be very precious, since so many people are so stingy with it.

But, the word 'Truth' is one of the key words I see that gives me a 'face palm' reaction. It gets abused so often, and used as an excuse for just about anything that it gets into meaningless blather rather quick. Such words as 'Truth', "Free Will', 'Original Sin', and Hermeneutics give huge red flags for me that meaningful discussion will not follow.
“What do you think science is? There is nothing magical about science. It is simply a systematic way for carefully and thoroughly observing nature and using consistent logic to evaluate results. So which part of that exactly do you disagree with? Do you disagree with being thorough? Using careful observation? Being systematic? Or using consistent logic?�

Steven Novella

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