Not believing is dogmatism

Wootah · Post by **Wootah** » Mon Mar 28, 2011 6:26 am

If you deny something you are dogmatic.

True/false?

bernee51 · Post by **bernee51** » Mon Mar 28, 2011 7:23 am

Wootah wrote:If you deny something you are dogmatic.

True/false?

Is not believing the same as denying?

Your topic title: Not believing is dogmatism

Then you ask about denial?

What goalposts?

Wootah · Post by **Wootah** » Mon Mar 28, 2011 8:00 am

Not believing in X where X is anything. How wide do you want the goal posts?

McCulloch · Post by **McCulloch** » Mon Mar 28, 2011 9:22 am

Wootah wrote:If you deny something you are dogmatic.

True/false?

Implications if such a statement were true:

Those who deny that Sri Guru Granth Sahib¹ describe the qualities of God and why one should meditate on God's name, are dogmatic.
Those who deny that the Sun goes around the Earth are dogmatic.
Those who deny that the Earth goes around the Sun are dogmatic.
Those who deny the healing ministry of Jim Jones are dogmatic.
Those who deny the evidence of evolution are dogmatic.

I do not believe that the label of dogmatism should be applied quite that widely.

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EduChris · Post by **EduChris** » Mon Mar 28, 2011 3:57 pm

Wootah wrote:If you deny something you are dogmatic.

True/false?

If there are a limited number of options, and if one of those options must be true, and if the available evidence for each of the options is roughly equivalent, then it would be just as dogmatic to deny or affirm any of the options.

bernee51 · Post by **bernee51** » Mon Mar 28, 2011 6:55 pm

Wootah wrote:Not believing in X where X is anything. How wide do you want the goal posts?

you can put them wherever you like...just don't move them after they are placed.

Are denial and disbelief equivalent terms?

sarabellum · Post by **sarabellum** » Tue Mar 29, 2011 9:05 am

This question has caused me some contemplation over the past few days....

IMO the "spirit" of the word "dogmatic" is lost when the definition is stretched this far...

Question Everything · Post by **Question Everything** » Tue Mar 29, 2011 1:17 pm

sarabellum wrote:This question has caused me some contemplation over the past few days....

IMO the "spirit" of the word "dogmatic" is lost when the definition is stretched this far...

I agree. For example, I deny the existence of any two integers that exactly equal the square root of two when one of them is divided by another.

Am I dogmatic?

Irregardless · Post by **Irregardless** » Tue Mar 29, 2011 9:33 pm

Wootah wrote:If you deny something you are dogmatic.

True/false?

I deny that and anyone that disagrees with me is wrong.

On a more serious note... it is not true simply because of the meaning of the word. If I say that you stole my car and you deny it (because you didn't) would this make you dogmatic?

Not believing in a claim until sufficient evidence has been provided is not dogmatic. If anything it should be the default position of everyone, especially regarding religion.

bjs · Post by **bjs** » Wed Mar 30, 2011 12:47 pm

Generally speaking a person is not being dogmatic when she denies something any more than a person is being dogmatic when she believes something. A person can believe or deny something in a dogmatic fashion, but the words themselves do not require that someone is being dogmatic.

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