Is consciousness restricted to intelligence?

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Is consciousness restricted to intelligence?

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What is consciousness? ...An enigma of existence? An elevated sense of awareness?
Is consciousness restricted to any other variable? (Magnitude of Intelligence/Brain etc...)

& here is my final wacky question:

Do you believe the human "conscious" can be analysed using our "conscious", or is that like analysing a microscope with a microscope?


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Murad wrote:What is consciousness?
Consciousness is not that easy a concept to define. I’d go with something like: subjective experience.
Murad wrote:...An enigma of existence?
It is puzzling.
Murad wrote:An elevated sense of awareness?
No. I don’t think it is elevated if you are implying dualism or it is a special feature of nature that appears once an organism achieves some critical level of complexity.

I think the experience of consciousness is as vague and as complex as the subjects interactions with the world. So a bat is conscious, maybe not as we would experience it, but still consciousness. I suspect that any organism with its own propulsion system can be called conscious. So even some bacteria would count as consciousness on that scale....except there is no reason to suspect the experienced is as rich as say being a snail. Maybe to be a snail is a sensual feast or maybe it is more like blotches of light and dark in the static.

Anyhow...viewed this way consciousness is not special or elevated. Though it is still an enigma.

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Furrowed Brow wrote: I think the experience of consciousness is as vague and as complex as the subjects interactions with the world. So a bat is conscious, maybe not as we would experience it, but still consciousness. I suspect that any organism with its own propulsion system can be called conscious. So even some bacteria would count as consciousness on that scale....except there is no reason to suspect the experienced is as rich as say being a snail. Maybe to be a snail is a sensual feast or maybe it is more like blotches of light and dark in the static.

Anyhow...viewed this way consciousness is not special or elevated. Though it is still an enigma.
I agree that its an enigma & i believe its always going to be an enigma (unless the movie inception becomes true in the future :P ) I do agree that all animals have a "type" of consciousness, but obviously homo sapiens have a unique consciousness which i suspect is the result of our high intelligence when compared to other animals.

Why do you believe a "propulsion system can be called conscious"?
Do the people think that they will be left to say, "We believe" without being put to the test?
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Murad wrote:What is consciousness? ...An enigma of existence? An elevated sense of awareness?
It's hard to define, but I would say both. However, I like to think of consciousness as gradual. Where do we draw the line? Fish are conscious? Flies? Worms? Jellyfish? Sponges?
Murad wrote:Is consciousness restricted to any other variable? (Magnitude of Intelligence/Brain etc...)
I think you have it reversed. Intelligence is a product of consciousness, and so consciousness might or might not include intelligence when we can get to define both. What kind of intelligence are you talking here? Human, monkey intelligence? Dog intelligence? And by consciousness you mean self-awareness?
Murad wrote:& here is my final wacky question:

Do you believe the human "conscious" can be analysed using our "conscious", or is that like analysing a microscope with a microscope?


That is all :)
I guess it can. How valid or what angle the interpretation has is what might be less satisfying. What's wrong with analyzing microscopes with microscopes?

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Murad wrote: I do agree that all animals have a "type" of consciousness, but obviously homo sapiens have a unique consciousness which i suspect is the result of our high intelligence when compared to other animals.
I think you have it back to front, the potential for the high intelligence high intelligence of homo sapiens is a direct result of an evolved self reflective consciousness.

Consciousness is not a static point - it is a continuum - a spectrum
"Whatever you are totally ignorant of, assert to be the explanation of everything else"

William James quoting Dr. Hodgson

"When I see I am nothing, that is wisdom. When I see I am everything, that is love. My life is a movement between these two."

Nisargadatta Maharaj

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