Homosexuality as a sin against both worldviews

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Homosexuality as a sin against both worldviews

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Am I missing something, or is homosexuality not only an affront against most of the major religions, but also against natural selection? How does an evolutionist justify the insertion of a homosexual gene in the natural selection process, considering it is its enemy?

From my point of view, homosexuality is a sin not only according to the Christian Bible, but also against the evolutionary worldview. You EITHER hold one of the two and are inconsistent:
1. I'm a Christian, but decided to cherry pick the Bible and/or disobey it.
2. I'm an evolutionist, but decided somehow homosexuality is not an attack on the natural selection process.

OR you hold one of the two and are consistent:
1. I'm a Christian and homosexuality is an offense against God.
2. I'm an evolutionist and homosexuality is an offense against the natural selection process.

The only worldview I see that can justify homosexuality is nihilism. But of course, they can justify rape, murder, etc. as well.

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cholland wrote: Am I missing something, or is homosexuality not only an affront against most of the major religions, but also against natural selection? How does an evolutionist justify the insertion of a homosexual gene in the natural selection process, considering it is its enemy?

From my point of view, homosexuality is a sin not only according to the Christian Bible, but also against the evolutionary worldview. You EITHER hold one of the two and are inconsistent:
1. I'm a Christian, but decided to cherry pick the Bible and/or disobey it.
2. I'm an evolutionist, but decided somehow homosexuality is not an attack on the natural selection process.

OR you hold one of the two and are consistent:
1. I'm a Christian and homosexuality is an offense against God.
2. I'm an evolutionist and homosexuality is an offense against the natural selection process.

The only worldview I see that can justify homosexuality is nihilism. But of course, they can justify rape, murder, etc. as well.
Evolution is not a worldview.

Kinda like how GRAVITY is not a worldview.

If homosexuality is an offense to evolution, then airplanes are an offense to gravity.

You are grossly misguided in your characterization of the basic fabric of reality.

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I believe an evolutionist would say that it is just the way it is?

But I get your point.

On some level there is disadvantages to being gay?

Like there is disadvantages to me not choosing to have children?

I'm okay with that.

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Perhaps the homosexuality gene is nature's attempt at born control. It seems to be the norm in many different species.

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cholland wrote: Am I missing something, or is homosexuality not only an affront against most of the major religions, but also against natural selection? How does an evolutionist justify the insertion of a homosexual gene in the natural selection process, considering it is its enemy?

From my point of view, homosexuality is a sin not only according to the Christian Bible, but also against the evolutionary worldview. You EITHER hold one of the two and are inconsistent:
1. I'm a Christian, but decided to cherry pick the Bible and/or disobey it.
2. I'm an evolutionist, but decided somehow homosexuality is not an attack on the natural selection process.

OR you hold one of the two and are consistent:
1. I'm a Christian and homosexuality is an offense against God.
2. I'm an evolutionist and homosexuality is an offense against the natural selection process.

The only worldview I see that can justify homosexuality is nihilism. But of course, they can justify rape, murder, etc. as well.
No, not at all. That doesn't make sense at all.. at least number 2.

And not coming from the concept of nihilism either. From a viewpoint of 'compassion and respect for individuals and diversity' say that what two loving adults do in the privacy of their own bedroom is none of my business.

You are assuming that sexual behavior is only used for reproduction.. and that is not true.
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There are several misconceptions, beginning with the idea that there is something called an "evolutionist," which is a worldview somehow as contrasted with Christianity. In fact evolution is a scientific theory, like germ theory or atomic theory. You either accept scientific theories or not. Some people who reject it do so purely based on their version of Christianity, but that does not change the fact that it is a scientific theory, and therefore there is no such thing as something being a sin against it.

Maybe you're asking how homosexuality could possibly be genetic since it is somewhat counter-reproductive? That's a very different question, but if you're interested, it is one we could talk about.

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kayky wrote: Perhaps the homosexuality gene is nature's attempt at born control. It seems to be the norm in many different species.
Eating the excess young is also the norm in many species for controlling numbers.

Incest is also the norm among many species.

Now are you going to defend those acts as something that is justifiable by nature? Why not?

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Goat wrote:
cholland wrote: Am I missing something, or is homosexuality not only an affront against most of the major religions, but also against natural selection? How does an evolutionist justify the insertion of a homosexual gene in the natural selection process, considering it is its enemy?

From my point of view, homosexuality is a sin not only according to the Christian Bible, but also against the evolutionary worldview. You EITHER hold one of the two and are inconsistent:
1. I'm a Christian, but decided to cherry pick the Bible and/or disobey it.
2. I'm an evolutionist, but decided somehow homosexuality is not an attack on the natural selection process.

OR you hold one of the two and are consistent:
1. I'm a Christian and homosexuality is an offense against God.
2. I'm an evolutionist and homosexuality is an offense against the natural selection process.

The only worldview I see that can justify homosexuality is nihilism. But of course, they can justify rape, murder, etc. as well.
No, not at all. That doesn't make sense at all.. at least number 2.

And not coming from the concept of nihilism either. From a viewpoint of 'compassion and respect for individuals and diversity' say that what two loving adults do in the privacy of their own bedroom is none of my business.

You are assuming that sexual behavior is only used for reproduction.. and that is not true.
Do you have compassion and respect for incestors? Why or why not?

Do you have compassion and respect for people who have relations with 12 year olds in countries where its legal? Why or why not?

Haven

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There is absolutely nothing wrong with homosexuality from a Humanist standpoint -- in fact, opposing gay rights is far more of a "sin." Evolution is a scientific theory that is descriptive, not prescriptive. There is no such thing as a "sin" against evolution, any more than there could be a "sin" against gravity or electromagnetism.

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[color=darkred]Shermana[/color] wrote:Do you have compassion and respect for incestors? Why or why not?
What does incest -- a (typically) coercive, exploitative sexual act between relatives -- have to do with homosexuality?
[color=darkblue]Shermana[/color] wrote:Do you have compassion and respect for people who have relations with 12 year olds in countries where its legal? Why or why not?
What does pedophilia -- the rape and / or sexual exploitation of a child by an adult -- have to do with homosexuality?

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