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I recently watched The Devil's Advocate. I thought it was pretty good. Obviously, Keanu Reeves isn't the world's greatest actor, but it was fun watching Al Paccino camp it up.

Didn't think it really revealed any great insight on morality, or the human condition, though. Just your standard Devil-in-disguise flick.

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AllAboutLove wrote: [Replying to post 1 by ThePainefulTruth]

I recently watched The Devil's Advocate. I thought it was pretty good. Obviously, Keanu Reeves isn't the world's greatest actor, but it was fun watching Al Paccino camp it up.

Didn't think it really revealed any great insight on morality, or the human condition, though. Just your standard Devil-in-disguise flick.

As I said in my blurb, the devil's declaration that "Vanity is definitely my favorite sin", translates to vanity being the justification for all sin. That was and remains one of the biggest epiphanies in my life. Think about it, what evil isn't the result of someone subverting the rights of another to his own ego/vanity. It thus follows that all sin, all evil, is a moral (and thus often a legal) double standard?

Look at the 7 deadly sins:
Lust, Gluttony, Greed, Sloth, Wrath, Envy, Pride. Where's vanity? ALL of the seven, those that are actually issues of morality (gluttony immoral???), are sins because they were brought about by actions driven by vanity, by a moral double standard. That realization is earth shattering both for religion and government--which (supposedly) bases it's laws on morality, or exempts an elite class as being above morality. It untangles the Gordian Knot the priests and politicians have tied and told us to have faith in.

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AllAboutLove wrote: [Replying to post 1 by ThePainefulTruth]

I recently watched The Devil's Advocate. I thought it was pretty good. Obviously, Keanu Reeves isn't the world's greatest actor, but it was fun watching Al Paccino camp it up.

Didn't think it really revealed any great insight on morality, or the human condition, though. Just your standard Devil-in-disguise flick.

As I said in my blurb, the devil's declaration that "Vanity is definitely my favorite sin", translates to vanity being the justification for all sin. That was and remains one of the biggest epiphanies in my life. Think about it, what evil isn't the result of someone subverting the rights of another to his own ego/vanity. It thus follows that all sin, all evil, is a moral (and thus often a legal) double standard?

Look at the 7 deadly sins:
Lust, Gluttony, Greed, Sloth, Wrath, Envy, Pride. Where's vanity? ALL of the seven, those that are actually issues of morality (gluttony immoral???), are sins because they were brought about by actions driven by vanity, by a moral double standard. That realization is earth shattering both for religion and government--which (supposedly) bases it's laws on morality, or exempts an elite class as being above morality. It untangles the Gordian Knot the priests and politicians have tied and told us to have faith in.
That's an interesting way to look at it. Never thought about it that way before, but pride DOES come before The Fall.

Don't get me wrong, I didn't think the movie was bad or anything. Just that it could've been a lot better, and it sort of became stretched-out in the final third.

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AllAboutLove wrote:
ThePainefulTruth wrote:
AllAboutLove wrote: [Replying to post 1 by ThePainefulTruth]

I recently watched The Devil's Advocate. I thought it was pretty good. Obviously, Keanu Reeves isn't the world's greatest actor, but it was fun watching Al Paccino camp it up.

Didn't think it really revealed any great insight on morality, or the human condition, though. Just your standard Devil-in-disguise flick.

As I said in my blurb, the devil's declaration that "Vanity is definitely my favorite sin", translates to vanity being the justification for all sin. That was and remains one of the biggest epiphanies in my life. Think about it, what evil isn't the result of someone subverting the rights of another to his own ego/vanity. It thus follows that all sin, all evil, is a moral (and thus often a legal) double standard?

Look at the 7 deadly sins:
Lust, Gluttony, Greed, Sloth, Wrath, Envy, Pride. Where's vanity? ALL of the seven, those that are actually issues of morality (gluttony immoral???), are sins because they were brought about by actions driven by vanity, by a moral double standard. That realization is earth shattering both for religion and government--which (supposedly) bases it's laws on morality, or exempts an elite class as being above morality. It untangles the Gordian Knot the priests and politicians have tied and told us to have faith in.
That's an interesting way to look at it. Never thought about it that way before, but pride DOES come before The Fall.

Don't get me wrong, I didn't think the movie was bad or anything. Just that it could've been a lot better, and it sort of became stretched-out in the final third.
Yeah, and the monster faces were a little over-the-top, though it was a dream. The final "I'm a fan of man" scene was a classic. I was originally upset by the resolution until I reminded myself that it was a dream. And even at that, he blew his brains out for a good cause. That was the first modern mention (I think) of free will as a theme; which has been used by a lot of movies since, starting with Reeves next film The Matrix.

And oh yeah, Charlize Theron has never been hotter--during the first half anyway, before she went to pot.

And speaking of Reeves, it's worth checking out one of his recent independent efforts, Henry's Crime.

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ThePainefulTruth wrote:
AllAboutLove wrote:
ThePainefulTruth wrote:
AllAboutLove wrote: [Replying to post 1 by ThePainefulTruth]

I recently watched The Devil's Advocate. I thought it was pretty good. Obviously, Keanu Reeves isn't the world's greatest actor, but it was fun watching Al Paccino camp it up.

Didn't think it really revealed any great insight on morality, or the human condition, though. Just your standard Devil-in-disguise flick.

As I said in my blurb, the devil's declaration that "Vanity is definitely my favorite sin", translates to vanity being the justification for all sin. That was and remains one of the biggest epiphanies in my life. Think about it, what evil isn't the result of someone subverting the rights of another to his own ego/vanity. It thus follows that all sin, all evil, is a moral (and thus often a legal) double standard?

Look at the 7 deadly sins:
Lust, Gluttony, Greed, Sloth, Wrath, Envy, Pride. Where's vanity? ALL of the seven, those that are actually issues of morality (gluttony immoral???), are sins because they were brought about by actions driven by vanity, by a moral double standard. That realization is earth shattering both for religion and government--which (supposedly) bases it's laws on morality, or exempts an elite class as being above morality. It untangles the Gordian Knot the priests and politicians have tied and told us to have faith in.
That's an interesting way to look at it. Never thought about it that way before, but pride DOES come before The Fall.

Don't get me wrong, I didn't think the movie was bad or anything. Just that it could've been a lot better, and it sort of became stretched-out in the final third.
Yeah, and the monster faces were a little over-the-top, though it was a dream. The final "I'm a fan of man" scene was a classic. I was originally upset by the resolution until I reminded myself that it was a dream. And even at that, he blew his brains out for a good cause. That was the first modern mention (I think) of free will as a theme; which has been used by a lot of movies since, starting with Reeves next film The Matrix.

And oh yeah, Charlize Theron has never been hotter--during the first half anyway, before she went to pot.

And speaking of Reeves, it's worth checking out one of his recent independent efforts, Henry's Crime.
Thanks for the hint. I'll loom into Henry's Crime. Keanu might not be the world's best actor, but he sure does have a knack for picking interesting movies! :whistle:

The Paccino line about God being an "absentee landLord" I thought was an exceptionally clever use of wordplay: It had the word "Lord" & evoked the film's legal theme & evoked the Biblical precept of responsibility..... real good. This was one of those movies that when it was "on" it was really, really good. It's just too bad that it also had long stretches of being "off".

You can't go wrong with Paccino as the Devil though! You could tell he was having fun with the part. Other than maybe Jack Nicholson, Paccino was the perfect man for the part.

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Yeah, and being a deist, the absentee landlord comment fit right in, albeit from the Devil's point of view, since God can't shirk a responsibility that doesn't exist. He was made for that part; Godfather, Devil, mox/nix.

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I enjoyed Devil's Advocate (saw it at the cinema) but I recall it being heavy-handed with references to Paradise Lost (I think the law firm was called Milton, or something?). Enjoyable nonetheless. I didn't actually expect the resolution, but it did make me grin.

As for Keanu Reeves, my favourite films of his tend to feature him as a side character. For some reason he seems to act better than in main roles: Something's Gotta Give, The Gift, River's Edge, My Own Private Idaho, etc.

As for god films, I really liked Dogma. Sure it was silly in places, but that opening scene of a fallen angel successfully persuading a nun to become an atheist, despite his having been in the presence of god, was sheer genius.
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Pazuzu bin Hanbi wrote: I enjoyed Devil's Advocate (saw it at the cinema) but I recall it being heavy-handed with references to Paradise Lost (I think the law firm was called Milton, or something?). Enjoyable nonetheless. I didn't actually expect the resolution, but it did make me grin.

As for Keanu Reeves, my favourite films of his tend to feature him as a side character. For some reason he seems to act better than in main roles: Something's Gotta Give, The Gift, River's Edge, My Own Private Idaho, etc.

As for god films, I really liked Dogma. Sure it was silly in places, but that opening scene of a fallen angel successfully persuading a nun to become an atheist, despite his having been in the presence of god, was sheer genius.
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He has a very bad potty mouth but I always liked George Carlin too! I watched an HBO comedy concert that he gave and he ended the show with a routine about "There Is No God." He said he wrote it just a short while after his wife died. I always thought that was sad. :(

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AllAboutLove wrote: [Replying to ThePainefulTruth]

He has a very bad potty mouth but I always liked George Carlin too! I watched an HBO comedy concert that he gave and he ended the show with a routine about "There Is No God." He said he wrote it just a short while after his wife died. I always thought that was sad. :(
Yes, and i don't say this to be judgemental, as I've said elsewhere I think atheism and deism are the only two reasonable positions on God, but I think atheism is ultimately very depressingly sad--in this life anyway.

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