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The Jehovah's Witnesses polytheistic two Omniscient Gods

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The Jehovah's Witnesses affirm that there are two omniscient Gods.
This will be demonstrated very specifically in the following points below.

1. To be "all-seeing" means the same thing as being omniscient.
all-seeing: See: omniscient
http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictiona ... all-seeing
all-seeing: Having knowledge of all things said or done.
http://www.yourdictionary.com/all-seeing#wiktionary

2. 1 Samuel 16:7 is cited by the Jehovah's Witnesses in reference to "Jehovahs all-seeing eyes."
The Watchtower: Jehovah, however, sees things differently. He says to Samuel: Do not look at his appearance and at the height of his stature, for I have rejected him. (Verse 7) Jehovah is not impressed by how tall and handsome Eliab is. Jehovahs all-seeing eyes look past outward appearances to where true beauty can be found ("He Sees What the Heart Is", March 1, 2010)
http://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/2010168

3. The Jehovah's Witnesses affirm that the omniscience spoken of in 1 Samuel 16:7 has been given by Jehovah to the Lord Jesus.
The Watchtower: By way of contrast, however, Jehovah God is described as the examiner of hearts. (Proverbs 17:3; 1 Samuel 16:7; 1 Chronicles 29:17) There is not a creation that is not manifest to his [Jehovahs] sight, declares Hebrews 4:13, but all things are naked and openly exposed to the eyes of him with whom we have an accounting. Not surprisingly, Jehovah has granted the ability to examine hearts to his Son, Jesus. The resurrected Jesus declared: I am he who searches the kidneys and hearts, and I will give to you individually according to your deeds."Revelation 2:23. (Questions from Readers, June 15, 2003).
http://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/2003447

Why do Jehovah's Witnesses deny the Lord Jesus is God but then ascribe omniscience unto Him?

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Re: The Jehovah's Witnesses polytheistic two Omniscient Gods

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Faber wrote:Jehovah has granted the ability to examine hearts to his Son, Jesus. The resurrected Jesus declared: I am he who searches the kidneys and hearts, and I will give to you individually according to your deeds."Revelation 2:23. (Questions from Readers, June 15, 2003).
http://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/2003447

Jehovah's Witnesses most certainly do NOT believe that Jesus is omniscient. The ability to see "hearts and kidneys" isn't everything, since there is more to the universe (visible and invisible)past, present and future than just hearts and kidneys.
To illustrate: Imagine you had two cleaning products, one that cleans "everything" and the other that cleans "wood and metal". Which one would be omni(all) cleaning?

I have written on this subject in detail, perhaps you missed my post.

I will link to it HERE
http://debatingchristianity.com/forum/v ... 039#864039








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It takes "all-seeing eyes" to "look past outward appearances to where true beauty can be found."

This is precisely what the Lord Jesus possesses (Revelation 2:23) in equality with the Father (1 Samuel 16:7).

Edit: Additional pertinent information below:
QUESTION
Awake!: What does the Bible mean when it says Jehovah sees the heart?
CLUE: Read Jeremiah 17:10. (For Family Review, March, 2012)
http://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/102012093

ANSWER
The Watchtower: Only Jehovah is able to fathom our inner person"our motives, thoughts, and emotions."Jeremiah 17:9, 10.
(Safeguarding Our Christian Identity, February 15, 2005)
http://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/2005125

"Only Jehovah" has such knowledge of the hearts of all people - and yet "only Jehovah" encompasses the Lord Jesus (see #3 in the OP) thereby affirming His Supreme Deity.

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Faber wrote:It takes "all-seeing eyes" to "look past outward appearances to where true beauty can be found."
No it just take eyes that can look past the outward appearances to where the true beauty can be found.
Faber wrote:"Only Jehovah" has such knowledge of the hearts of all people - and yet "only Jehovah" encompasses the Lord Jesus
QUESTION: What do Jehovah's Witnesses mean when they say "only" Jehovah has certain qualities or capacities?

When the Watchtower uses the word "only" it is using it according to the Jehovah's Witness terminology, which, in relation to Jehovah reserves absolute capacities and qualities uniquely for Him. In other words "only Jehovah" means "only Jehovah in the absolute sence" (see biblical principle below).

In Jehovah's Witness literature, everyone, including Jesus, has relative powers or capacitires, never absolute. Any powers Jesus has, he has because Jehovah gave them to him, by definition then his powers are relative not absolute.




MARK 10:18

"Why do you call me good?" Jesus asked. "Only God is truly good. - New Living Translation

"Jesus said to him, "Why do you call me good? No one is good except God alone." - GOD'S WORD Translation

Various other translations
http://biblehub.com/mark/10-18.htm
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I have written on this subject in detail, perhaps you missed my post.

Do Jehovah's Witnesses believe Jesus to be omnipotent or omniscient?
http://debatingchristianity.com/forum/v ... 039#864039

Scriptural reasons why Jesus cannot be ALMIGHTY God
http://debatingchristianity.com/forum/v ... 572#751572

Does Jesus being given "all power" mean he has ABSOLUTE power?
http://debatingchristianity.com/forum/v ... 253#864253





WATCHTOWER: Answers to criticism of Watchtower commentaries

Why does the WT refer to Jesus' "perfect" power and wisdom?
http://debatingchristianity.com/forum/v ... 046#864046

Is being able to "search" hearts and kidney's synonymous with omniscience?
http://debatingchristianity.com/forum/v ... 221#864221

Does the admission that Jesus can examin hearts amount to an instruction he be prayed to?
http://debatingchristianity.com/forum/v ... 418#864418

What, in JW terminology does the word ONLY mean in relation to Jehovah?
http://debatingchristianity.com/forum/v ... 963#864963

PRAYER

Did a 1959 Watchtower teach Steven prayed to Jesus? (scroll down)
http://debatingchristianity.com/forum/v ... 749#863749

Did a 2007 Watchtower say John prayed to Jesus?
http://debatingchristianity.com/forum/v ... 752#863752

Is the New World Translation justified in omitting the world "me" in John 14:14?
http://debatingchristianity.com/forum/v ... 055#864055

WORSHIP

Did Jehovah's Witnesses worship Jesus prior to 1954? (tigger)
http://debatingchristianity.com/forum/v ... 575#864575
INDEX: More bible based ANSWERS
http://debatingchristianity.com/forum/v ... 81#p826681


"For if we live, we live to Jehovah, and if we die, we die to Jehovah. So both if we live and if we die, we belong to Jehovah" -
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JehovahsWitness wrote:
Faber wrote:It takes "all-seeing eyes" to "look past outward appearances to where true beauty can be found."
No it just take eyes that can look past the outward appearances to where the true beauty can be found.
According to the Watchtower it takes all-seeing eyes to do so.

Jehovahs all-seeing eyes look past outward appearances to where true beauty can be found ("He Sees What the Heart Is", March 1, 2010)
http://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/2010168

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No it says that Jehovah sees all. This is true in the sense there is nothing that can remain unseed to God.

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Jehovahs all-seeing eyes look past outward appearances to where true beauty can be found ("He Sees What the Heart Is", March 1, 2010)
http://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/2010168

It reads "all-seeing eyes."

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