Is the Bible equal to GOD?

William · Post by **William** » Wed Oct 10, 2018 11:53 am

Sometimes in interacting with Christians and observing Christians interacting with each other, I get the impression that what they refer to as 'the word of God' is GOD because it is the only thing on earth that is claimed by them to 'speak for, or on God's behalf' and they use their preferred interpretations of it to argue against other, differing interpretations.

Q: Is it right to treat a man-made object in this manner, or should such be considered - in truth - to be a form of idolatry?

Q: Is the bible used in this manner because people do not know how to commune with GOD any other way?

Q: Is GOD incapable of communion with individuals without the use of mediums, or is it a matter of most humans being incapable of communion with GOD without the use of mediums?

brianbbs67 · Post by **brianbbs67** » Thu Nov 01, 2018 11:51 pm

[Replying to post 60 by William]

I agree to go directly go the Lord. Trust Him and verify the others. Why would one do otherwise? Get man's advice or God's advice? Don't seek a medium. Go to the source and live well and patiently wait.

William · Post by **William** » Sun Nov 11, 2018 6:19 pm

[Replying to post 61 by brianbbs67]

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brianbbs67 · Post by **brianbbs67** » Mon Nov 12, 2018 10:22 pm

William wrote: [Replying to post 61 by brianbbs67]

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I watched that and i long ago realized at least 2 creation stories in Genesis. How else did Cain fear being killed(by other humans) and find a wife? I can see 2 possibilities. Adam and Eve were a separate experiment and humanity at large was made separately. OR, the original Sages(who wrote this done) could not agree which story is right and included both in a way that was easy to read over without seeing for most.

JehovahsWitness · Post by **JehovahsWitness** » Wed Nov 14, 2018 9:30 am

[Replying to post 63 by brianbbs67]

Or that Cain and Abel were not (or would not be) Adam and Eves only children.

Option #3

JW

William · Post by **William** » Wed Nov 14, 2018 11:41 am

[Replying to post 63 by brianbbs67]

I watched that and i long ago realized at least 2 creation stories in Genesis. How else did Cain fear being killed(by other humans) and find a wife? I can see 2 possibilities. Adam and Eve were a separate experiment and humanity at large was made separately. OR, the original Sages(who wrote this done) could not agree which story is right and included both in a way that was easy to read over without seeing for most.

In relation to the OP, the video presents argument for not taking the bible literally and as an item which is faultless, something which many are unable/unwilling to do.

Joel Baden gives stats regarding - in the main - how Americans 'read the bible'. Stats taken from Gallup polls in 2011 show that nearly 80% of Americans think that the bible is either literally true or the inspired word of GOD. That is a huge number of people who take the bible very seriously in that regard.

tam · Post by **tam** » Wed Nov 14, 2018 1:49 pm

Peace to you,

William wrote: [Replying to post 17 by tam]

"How do you know that the bible is 'the word of GOD'?" and the answer is "because the bible tells me so."

Except that it does not actually tell anyone this.
So people who claim that the bible say's the bible is 'the word of GOD' are lying?
Not purposely, though they may have been lied TO. Regardless, they are mistaken.

The 'word of God' in that Hebrews quote cannot be referring to the bible because the bible is not alive. The Word of God who is alive is Christ, the living Word of God, who speaks the words the Father gave Him to speak (John 12:49).

Even written in the bible is the truth that Christ is the Word of God.

"And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us..." John 1:14
This becomes problematic because 'The Christ' can be made into an image and worshiped as an idol as well. We have of course argued that in previous interaction Tammy. In the Jesus' Return thread.

The point of course was that Christ - not the Bible - is the Word of God.

(Christ is not made into the image of God; Christ is the image of God - a living image for a living God; the perfect representation of God.)

'The Christ' was never meant to be worshiped in the form of a single human being. It was supposed to have been activated in everyone through the simplification of all the law into 2 laws,
"It"? What do you mean by "it" was supposed to have been activated in everyone..? What is this 'it'? You placed 'the Christ' in quotations as if that does not refer to an actual person, but instead to this 'it'.

The Christ is the Anointed One of God, a person, Jaheshua, (the Messiah, meaning the Chosen One of JAH).

and the activation achieved through understanding the 2 laws being regarded as only the one law as doing either is the same as doing both.

Activation of what, and how does understanding 2 laws being regarded as one law achieve 'it'?

Peace again to you.

William · Post by **William** » Thu Nov 15, 2018 12:03 pm

[Replying to post 66 by tam]

Not purposely, though they may have been lied TO. Regardless, they are mistaken.

So it is a case of Q: 'when is a lie not a lie?' A: 'When it is not known to be a lie by the one telling it.'?

Do you then believe that if someone speaks a lie thinking it is not a lie, that this is acceptable?

Do you think it true that those who claim something is true even though they do not know that it is true and it might not be true, are therefore telling the truth?

Is it not a matter of truth that one should not speak of anything as being 'the truth' if one does not know for certain that it is in fact 'the truth'? And if they do so, then they do so with the purpose of claiming something is a truth when they do not know if that is the case or not?

Note: Believing something is 'the truth' does not excuse someone from being able to speak of it as 'the truth' and 'therefore they are not purposefully lying' because they are purposefully conflating belief with 'the truth' ... which is another way of lying.

The point of course was that Christ - not the Bible - is the Word of God.

(Christ is not made into the image of God; Christ is the image of God - a living image for a living God; the perfect representation of God.)

Where is this 'Christ' Tammy? What is this 'image of GOD' you are referring to?

'The Christ' was never meant to be worshiped in the form of a single human being. It was supposed to have been activated in everyone through the simplification of all the law into 2 laws...

"It"? What do you mean by "it" was supposed to have been activated in everyone..? What is this 'it'? You placed 'the Christ' in quotations as if that does not refer to an actual person, but instead to this 'it'.

The process of transformation from one state to another, Tammy. That is what I am referring to.

The Christ is the Anointed One of God

That is a process Tammy, and one which Jesus appears to have being pointing folk towards undergoing as individuals and something which has to do with the individual developing relationship with GOD. Not relationship with an omnibus or an image, such as those things organised religions impress upon the minds of the adherents.

Activation of what, and how does understanding 2 laws being regarded as one law achieve 'it'?

Try it Tammy, and see for yourself.

tam · Post by **tam** » Thu Nov 15, 2018 7:21 pm

Peace to you,

William wrote: [Replying to post 66 by tam]

Not purposely, though they may have been lied TO. Regardless, they are mistaken.
So it is a case of Q: 'when is a lie not a lie?' A: 'When it is not known to be a lie by the one telling it.'?
No.

You asked if they lied, and I said "not purposely". They still lied, just unintentionally.

The point of course was that Christ - not the Bible - is the Word of God.

(Christ is not made into the image of God; Christ is the image of God - a living image for a living God; the perfect representation of God.)
Where is this 'Christ' Tammy?

At the right hand of the Father (in the spiritual realm). But also within us via holy spirit (the blood, breath, seed of JAH).

What is this 'image of GOD' you are referring to?
Christ is the image of God. He is the One who reveals God to us as God truly is; so that if we know Christ, we know His Father also, since Christ is the perfect representation of His Father.

'The Christ' was never meant to be worshiped in the form of a single human being. It was supposed to have been activated in everyone through the simplification of all the law into 2 laws...

"It"? What do you mean by "it" was supposed to have been activated in everyone..? What is this 'it'? You placed 'the Christ' in quotations as if that does not refer to an actual person, but instead to this 'it'.
The process of transformation from one state to another, Tammy. That is what I am referring to.
So your sentence would read like this:

"'The Christ' was never meant to be worshiped in the form of a single human being. It (the process of transformation from one state to another) was supposed to have been activated in everyone through the simplification of all the law into 2 laws..."

What does your second sentence have to do with your first sentence? How does simplifying all the law into 2 laws begin a process of transformation from one state to another? What are these states that you are referring to?

The Christ is the Anointed One of God
That is a process Tammy,
WHAT is a process, William?

How do you get 'that is a process' from the statement "The Christ is the Anointed One of God?"

That is simply the definition of the word: The Christ = the Anointed One.

If, for some reason, you are instead referring to the act of being anointed with holy spirit (and so being an anointed one), then that is something that happens in a moment, such as when Christ breathed holy spirit upon His apostles (and again upon the disciples at Pentecost). The training that we receive is a process, yes. Being trained in love and righteousness and truth is a process, just as all training is a process. That training continues after our anointing with holy spirit (if indeed we are anointed with holy spirit). But the actual anointing is something that happens in a moment.

Activation of what, and how does understanding 2 laws being regarded as one law achieve 'it'?
Try it Tammy, and see for yourself.

Try WHAT, William?

Your sentences do not make sense; you do not explain your meaning; you have taken terms that already have a meaning, and ignored that meaning altogether to insert some undefined meaning. My questions above are not rhetorical. In order to have a conversation with you, you need to clear up your terms and explain what you mean.

Peace again to you.

William · Post by **William** » Thu Nov 15, 2018 9:00 pm

[Replying to post 68 by tam]

In order to have a conversation with you, you need to clear up your terms and explain what you mean.

Well then perhaps you need to clarify what your recent post in this thread has to do with the OP Tammy, because it appears to be following a different tangent. Perhaps then we can connect the dots...

tam · Post by **tam** » Thu Nov 15, 2018 9:19 pm

William wrote: [Replying to post 68 by tam]

In order to have a conversation with you, you need to clear up your terms and explain what you mean.
Well then perhaps you need to clarify what your recent post in this thread has to do with the OP Tammy, because it appears to be following a different tangent.

I was simply responding to a point you made in the thread. You engaged, even asked me a question, so here we are.

Peace again to you.