Jesus' Return

[William]

If there is one belief that seems to thread throughout Christian beliefs as commonly shared, it is that of the return of Jesus.

In pondering on this idea, I am left wondering as to the relevance of it as a belief to hold in today's day and age.

I can understand that up to the age of technology and especially this age of information [the information age] such a belief would not have been able to be easily regarded as overly questionable, but with our current knowledge of the universe we can understand that should the promised event happen, people would be more inclined to regard it as explainable in terms of our current knowledge.

What this means is that if an army of beings descended upon the planet, we would naturally understand these as being extraterrestrial.

In regard to that, we would also be less likely to believe any claims that they were our creators in the sense of having to proclaim them as 'gods' and their leader as 'god' or the representative thereof. In this case, Jesus.

If indeed these beings then got about 'cleaning up the world' of the corrupt war-mongering humans in positions of power, and set up a workable system in which parity becomes the normal, and gave peace a chance, there would still be no reason to worship these beings, (or the single leader) as if they were gods.

If we look at it another way - say humans were the ET and did this to another planetary species - would we not simply consider this to be something we decided we ought to do, and discourage the planets people from worshiping us?

Sure, we would not scorn their respect, and their gratefulness for us using our superior technology and power to overcome those who suppressed them and kept them engaged in systems of disparity, but there would be no reason for us to condone, let alone make it a stipulation that they ought worship us as gods.

Yet the belief through Christian doctrine clearly tells us that this is a stipulation, and those who do not agree to it will be separated from those who do.

It seems to me that there would be a problem with today's current population accepting such stipulation on the grounds that the opportunity afforded by the ET allow for the ability to build a system of parity doesn't and shouldn't require any of us worship the ET as gods. If it did, then the only reason they 'saved' us was so that they could become our new masters, and blackmail us with either accepting their terms or going without.

Q: In relation to the above, how would you respond to ET demanding you worship them as gods, and why?

[tam]

Peace to you!

In relation to the above, how would you respond to ET demanding you worship them as gods, and why?

And I am John, the one who heard and saw these things. And when I had heard and seen them, I fell down to worship at the feet of the angel who had shown me these things. But he said to me, Do not do that! I am a fellow servant with you and your brothers the prophets, and with those who keep the words of this book. Worship God!



It does not seem to me that angels (spirit beings) - are going to demand worship. At least not those angels who are loyal to Christ and to His Father. If people did intend to bow down and worship them instead (or as well), then it seems to me - and according to the example of the angel (Michael) above - that the angels would immediately tell people NOT to do that.



Peace to you,
your servant and a slave of Christ,
tammy

[Tired of the Nonsense]

If there is one belief that seems to thread throughout Christian beliefs as commonly shared, it is that of the return of Jesus.

In pondering on this idea, I am left wondering as to the relevance of it as a belief to hold in today's day and age.

I can understand that up to the age of technology and especially this age of information [the information age] such a belief would not have been able to be easily regarded as overly questionable, but with our current knowledge of the universe we can understand that should the promised event happen, people would be more inclined to regard it as explainable in terms of our current knowledge.

What this means is that if an army of beings descended upon the planet, we would naturally understand these as being extraterrestrial.

In regard to that, we would also be less likely to believe any claims that they were our creators in the sense of having to proclaim them as 'gods' and their leader as 'god' or the representative thereof. In this case, Jesus.

If indeed these beings then got about 'cleaning up the world' of the corrupt war-mongering humans in positions of power, and set up a workable system in which parity becomes the normal, and gave peace a chance, there would still be no reason to worship these beings, (or the single leader) as if they were gods.

If we look at it another way - say humans were the ET and did this to another planetary species - would we not simply consider this to be something we decided we ought to do, and discourage the planets people from worshiping us?

Sure, we would not scorn their respect, and their gratefulness for us using our superior technology and power to overcome those who suppressed them and kept them engaged in systems of disparity, but there would be no reason for us to condone, let alone make it a stipulation that they ought worship us as gods.

Yet the belief through Christian doctrine clearly tells us that this is a stipulation, and those who do not agree to it will be separated from those who do.

It seems to me that there would be a problem with today's current population accepting such stipulation on the grounds that the opportunity afforded by the ET allow for the ability to build a system of parity doesn't and shouldn't require any of us worship the ET as gods. If it did, then the only reason they 'saved' us was so that they could become our new masters, and blackmail us with either accepting their terms or going without.

Q: In relation to the above, how would you respond to ET demanding you worship them as gods, and why?

There are two main problems with the claim that Jesus is going to return. The first is expecting someone who lived 2,000 years ago to return, defies all common knowledge and experience. The second problem, is that the claim has a 2,000 year ongoing history of proving to be nonsense. Just as common experience and common knowledge have always indicated. After 2,000 years even the slowest individuals should reasonably begin to catch on.

[William]

[Replying to post 3 by Tired of the Nonsense]

In relation to the OPQ;

Q: How would you respond to ET demanding you worship them as gods, and why?

[Tired of the Nonsense]

[Replying to post 3 by Tired of the Nonsense]

In relation to the OPQ;

Q: How would you respond to ET demanding you worship them as gods, and why?

I would resist it, obviously. Depending upon how seriously they had me by my private parts. But your point really is, does superior technology establish divinity? Our technology today makes us vastly more powerful than people who lived thousands of years ago. But we are no closer to being divine than they were.

[marco]

Sure, we would not scorn their respect, and their gratefulness for us using our superior technology and power to overcome those who suppressed them and kept them engaged in systems of disparity, but there would be no reason for us to condone, let alone make it a stipulation that they ought worship us as gods.

In fact when Cortez and Pizarro descended upon Aztec and Inca they were received as gods. This proved useful. The gods demanded gold and when a room was half filled, as demanded, the gods asked for more. The gods of course brought Christianity, a lovely gift that remains today.

As for the return of Jesus on the clouds, it is clear the young Lord was thinking in local terms that heaven was above the cumulus clouds and when he was given leave to return, he'd access Earth via the agency of cloud-power since he had no idea how supportive clouds might be of divine weight. The whole tale is utterly crass and indicates that Jesus thought that mystically he'd be released from death duties in a few years, once he'd signed the appropriate papers in heaven.

A moden Jesus would predict he'd return on some sort of rocket, crashing through the atmosphere and descending in triumph with a party of archangels, among them the uniquitous Gabriel, no doubt.

[polonius]

Sure, we would not scorn their respect, and their gratefulness for us using our superior technology and power to overcome those who suppressed them and kept them engaged in systems of disparity, but there would be no reason for us to condone, let alone make it a stipulation that they ought worship us as gods.

In fact when Cortez and Pizarro descended upon Aztec and Inca they were received as gods. This proved useful. The gods demanded gold and when a room was half filled, as demanded, the gods asked for more. The gods of course brought Christianity, a lovely gift that remains today.

As for the return of Jesus on the clouds, it is clear the young Lord was thinking in local terms that heaven was above the cumulus clouds and when he was given leave to return, he'd access Earth via the agency of cloud-power since he had no idea how supportive clouds might be of divine weight. The whole tale is utterly crass and indicates that Jesus thought that mystically he'd be released from death duties in a few years, once he'd signed the appropriate papers in heaven.

A moden Jesus would predict he'd return on some sort of rocket, crashing through the atmosphere and descending in triumph with a party of archangels, among them the uniquitous Gabriel, no doubt.

RESPONSE: Let's look at the entire prophecy and another. Jesus said he would return during the lifetime of "some of those standing here."

And the apostles would not have had time to go through all the towns in Israel before he returned.

Neither of these "divine" prophecies happened. Conclusion????

[William]

[Replying to post 6 by marco]

In relation to the OPQ;

Q: How would you respond to ET demanding you worship them as gods, and why?

[William]

[Replying to post 7 by polonius.advice]

In relation to the OPQ;

Q: How would you respond to ET demanding you worship them as gods, and why?

[marco]

Neither of these "divine" prophecies happened. Conclusion????

If they did not happen then Christ was wrong and we can suppose the poor man was deluded in his expectations. Good but wrong.


The defence would be they DID happen and one can scratch around and find something, somewhere that somehow approximates to a good prediction. A common proposal is that Jesus ascended into the sky and thereby demonstrated the glory of his kingdom to the undead apostles he led up the hill (or down the garden path, as it might be.)